Assisted dying

[ChicagoBlue]

It’s a personal decision that should be left to the person. The only discussion item should be how society can help the terminally ill shorten their pain and misery.

Are you allowed Nil By Mouth and Do Not Resuscitate or No Extraordinary Measures to be placed in your medical records in the UK?

That’s basically how my MIL allowed herself to die. She only sipped water, and pressed the button on her Morphine pump for almost a month before she died, at home, in bed, surrounded by loved ones. Her last words, “I love you.”

Almost 85 yrs old, Stage IV pancreatic & liver cancer. Diagnosed after a tummy ache that wouldn’t go away. Dead exactly 1 month later. Where do I sign?

 

[stonerblue]

That isn't for me to answer. If it comes down to a social care system that is already swamped to make decisions, I wouldn't like it. I could be in the same position as yourself with my wife one day, and I want every single safeguard possible in place.

Why? How would your wife be somehow 'coerced' to unwantedly ending her life, and by who?
perhaps after she's spent the last 15 years watching her own body slowly dying with no hope of getting any better, all that time in pain, giving up work, social life, holidays, having kids and then after all that wait for the day when she can no longer do anything but get up and sit in a chair all day then she might just have had enough.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

That isn't for me to answer. If it comes down to a social care system that is already swamped to make decisions, I wouldn't like it. I could be in the same position as yourself with my wife one day, and I want every single safeguard possible in place.

Not a social welfare decision, but the decision of an adult, made while legally able to make it, and then their wishes carried out by a caring family and society.

Life for some is a beating heart or brainwaves. For others, it means so much more.

We have millions of people who are functionally dead, but they didn’t make a decision, write it down, have it notarized and approved (by law) and so are stuck eating swill, sitting in a chair, on the toilet or in bed 24/7/365 and have no actual “life-life” whatsoever.

However, they didn’t make the choice, so we care for them out of the goodness of our hearts and humanity…and often some guilt.

My wife and I have trusts and wills for all of that, with Health Care Power of Attorney for each of us. It’s a no brainer. And, we can change any and all of it with a signature, if we so choose…keeping the state out of it unless one of us takes it into our own hands for the other, which we don’t need to do given the legal paperwork we have.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

We have millions of people who are functionally dead, but they didn’t make a decision, write it down, have it notarized and approved (by law) and so are stuck eating swill, sitting in a chair, on the toilet or in bed 24/7/365 and have no actual “life-life” whatsoever.

However, they didn’t make the choice, so we care for them out of the goodness of our hearts and humanity…and often some guilt.

It's wrong and selfish to just keep people "alive" when they are braindead or in vegetative state where they aren't ever going to wake up just because relatives can't come to terms with the fact that someone has died.

Why would anyone want to die like that?

 

[Don Karleone]

As I said, I'm not against the idea of euthanasia. All I want is for every precaution to be taken before making the final decision.


It feels like this bill is being rushed and changed without proper scrutiny.

 

[stonerblue]

As I said, I'm not against the idea of euthanasia. All I want is for every precaution to be taken before making the final decision.


It feels like this bill is being rushed and changed without proper scrutiny.

The bill is shit and will be no help to lots of people who face years and years of simply 'existing'.
However, i can't see how it is being 'rushed' through?

 

[BeerIsTheBest]

And which 'expert' would you have 'scrutinise' my wife who is now at the stage where she has had enough and would like to end her life before she can no longer wipe her arse or wash herself? Who should tell her 'no' then?

Deep empathy here and very best wishes sent. Went through this with my dear old mum. It’s an impossible situation.

 

[stonerblue]

Deep empathy here and very best wishes sent. Went through this with my dear old mum. It’s an impossible situation.

Thanks Beer.
it's a very emotive subject for me as i am right in the middle of it.

 

[Kirkstall Blue]

Why? How would your wife be somehow 'coerced' to unwantedly ending her life, and by who?
perhaps after she's spent the last 15 years watching her own body slowly dying with no hope of getting any better, all that time in pain, giving up work, social life, holidays, having kids and then after all that wait for the day when she can no longer do anything but get up and sit in a chair all day then she might just have had enough.

No one can understand the appalling things life throws at us until it happens to them, the despair that severe illness brings to those who suffer with incurable illness with no let up in their condition for years on end it is understandable they may seek a way out.

I’m tired of people who think they know best when it is them who have never been in severe pain preaching about sharing the beauty of their loved one dying and enforcing their belief in god as a reason to avoid taking a life and forcing their view on the rest of us. Only the sick with severe conditions should get the vote.

Hope your coping Stoner watching her suffer is hard on you to, is she interested in the debate in parliament. ?

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

It’s a personal decision that should be left to the person. The only discussion item should be how society can help the terminally ill shorten their pain and misery.

Are you allowed Nil By Mouth and Do Not Resuscitate or No Extraordinary Measures to be placed in your medical records in the UK?

That’s basically how my MIL allowed herself to die. She only sipped water, and pressed the button on her Morphine pump for almost a month before she died, at home, in bed, surrounded by loved ones. Her last words, “I love you.”

Almost 85 yrs old, Stage IV pancreatic & liver cancer. Diagnosed after a tummy ache that wouldn’t go away. Dead exactly 1 month later. Where do I sign?

Devastating.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

Devastating.

Honestly not. Ideal, albeit the timing was a surprise.

For years she had been clear about her wishes and, thankfully, she had all her faculties until the end which ensured her wishes were being followed…and she had the strength to not buckle or waver from them.

I actually admire her for her fortitude and she was a happy, smiling, loving woman until the end. Truth be told, she made it easy on all of us by showing us how this was her choice, and she wouldn’t allow anyone to be somber around her.

If the word devastating could be used, it might apply to the initial diagnosis, but thereafter it was her wishes, her terms…her way.

 

[stonerblue]

No one can understand the appalling things life throws at us until it happens to them, the despair that severe illness brings to those who suffer with incurable illness with no let up in their condition for years on end it is understandable they may seek a way out.

I’m tired of people who think they know best when it is them who have never been in severe pain preaching about sharing the beauty of their loved one dying and enforcing their belief in god as a reason to avoid taking a life and forcing their view on the rest of us. Only the sick with severe conditions should get the vote.

Hope your coping Stoner watching her suffer is hard on you to, is she interested in the debate in parliament. ?

Soz for the delayed response KB.
Yeah, i'm sick of those moralising about this subject and muddying the waters with their holier-than-thou bollocks.
We had a nurse 'preaching' to us the other day after the breadknife told her she would have no treatment if she had cancer. I had to stop the nurse and give her some home truths about living with chronic, incurable illness.
It is hard on me, and everyone else for that matter, watching the person you love die before your eyes, but i cope pretty well all told. The wife has pretty much 'given up' now and has made her peace with her future. Her mental health has improved considerably though. We have discussed the future and pretty much organised all our affairs for when she goes.
The debate angers her and contains no provision for people in her situation so, like everything else, we will sort ourselves out.

 

[Kirkstall Blue]

Soz for the delayed response KB.
Yeah, i'm sick of those moralising about this subject and muddying the waters with their holier-than-thou bollocks.
We had a nurse 'preaching' to us the other day after the breadknife told her she would have no treatment if she had cancer. I had to stop the nurse and give her some home truths about living with chronic, incurable illness.
It is hard on me, and everyone else for that matter, watching the person you love die before your eyes, but i cope pretty well all told. The wife has pretty much 'given up' now and has made her peace with her future. Her mental health has improved considerably though. We have discussed the future and pretty much organised all our affairs for when she goes.
The debate angers her and contains no provision for people in her situation so, like everything else, we will sort ourselves out.

The assisted dying bill has been pushed back to 2029 four years to wait until after the next general election which means it may be pushed out altogether. Very disappointing as so many people are still suffering.
I’ve been round a nursing home and I know just how drawn out and hopeless life can be for those with no hope of getting better, a lot of people will be upset with the delay, at least the Isle of Man has approved the bill.

Accepting the hand life has dealt you and your wife must be hard as you say she has reached a peace with the path she has to follow, sorting things out can’t be easy on you both especially when the nurse turns up who is really in the wrong job, hope you get an angel next time they do exist.
Assisted dying may not be available in England and Wales until at least 2029 after MPs approved an extension of the rollout period

 

[Kirkstall Blue]

Proposed laws to give terminally ill adults on the Isle of Man the right to choose to end their own lives have been agreed by the Manx parliament.

It means the bill can now be sent for Royal Assent, making it the first parliament in the British Isles to take this step.

Under the provisions in the Assisted Dying Bill 2023, adults with a prognosis of 12 months or less to live would be given the right to choose to die.

Those eligible would have to be over the age of 18, and have lived on the island for five years.
The Royal Assent process is where the monarch formally approves a bill passed by parliament for it to become law.

Members of the Legislative Council agreed to the latest changes made to the Assisted Dying Bill 2023 by the House of Keys at a sitting earlier.

The proposed laws were brought forward in a Private Member's Bill by Ramsey MHK Alex Allinson.

Those eligible must be terminally ill and "reasonably expected" to die within 12 months, over the age of 18, and be registered with an Isle of Man GP, and have been resident on the island for five years.

The person must also have the the legal capacity to make the decision, and have the decision verified by two independent doctors.

If they can do it in the IOM what is wrong with this country ?

 

[PinkFinal]

Assisted dying: California man invites BBC to witness his death

Wayne Hawkins believes terminally ill people should be able to die when they choose, but others in the state disagree.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[PinkFinal]

Inside Health - Assisted dying: How can we be certain someone wants to die? - BBC Sounds

James Gallagher and the panel discuss the safeguarding implications of the proposed bill

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Kirkstall Blue]

Assisted dying: California man invites BBC to witness his death

Wayne Hawkins believes terminally ill people should be able to die when they choose, but others in the state disagree.

www.bbc.co.uk

That poor man asking the BBC to record and witness his death. :(. .If I was in his shoes I couldn’t do that, I mean no one knows how they would react with the family all stood round while I took the pills. I wouldn’t be able to go ahead with the suicide. He’s very brave to leave his family and help the assisted death debate by recording it.

 

[KS55]

I see a woman this week was convicted of manslaughter when she smothered her partner with a pillow. The partner was dying in pain
Sentenced to two years imprisonment, suspended for two years.
Thank god for a decent judge but the case should not have been necessary.

 

[PinkFinal]

I see a woman this week was convicted of manslaughter when she smothered her partner with a pillow. The partner was dying in pain
Sentenced to two years imprisonment, suspended for two years.
Thank god for a decent judge but the case should not have been necessary.

The defendant is a GP.
Wonder if someone with much less social standing would have been treated the same.

 

[Don Karleone]

The bill passed with a majority of 23.


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