Assisted dying

[PinkFinal]

Despite the enormous ethical and legal issues and implications this topic raises, assisted dying on serious mental health grounds aswell as other health grounds can't come quick enough as far as I'm concerned.
Nobody asks to be dragged into this extraordinarily brutal rat race and though I hate the idea of aiding certain politicians by promoting the exit of 'surplus' people I believe that the human misery in today's world is so horrendous that all previous ethics laws and rules should not apply.

We live atomised and individualistic lives unheard of in human history (social media has of course made it even worse) and the consequences of this for the most vulnerable are fucking hideous judging by what I witness and what I've experienced myself.
As I've said before many times the option of a painless quick tidy exit method would allow people to live easier knowing that they wouldn't have to use a violent method of exit that may fail and leave them with terrible injuries. We have hundreds killing themselves on the railways every year in the UK alone and it's just horrendous for everyone concerned.

Obviously all this is never going to be allowed mainly because it's terrible optics and a terrible reflection of where we are as a species. And very radical.
So the suffering will go on. And on. And on. And on. And on. And on. And on. And on.

I'm sorry if any of this offends anyone reading this but I just don't think it's particularly unreasonable.

 

[kaz7]

I forget her full name but tayna , who is a disabled lady athelete who is now in the lords was on loose women and i thought she did the wrong thing tying this to disabled people , it is not about the disabled , unless you are paralised from the neck down or something

She kept trying to tie it to canada where they do this for people and there has been more eligible people added there

She probably scared disabled people to death when it is not about us

 

[stonerblue]

This morning on Politics Live they had an interview with David Cameron on why he changed his mind, extended interview with Kim Leadbetter yesterday - take a look at the balance in this guide to their coverage of the subject

Euthanasia and assisted dying - BBC News

All the latest content about Euthanasia and assisted dying from the BBC.

www.bbc.co.uk

Odd really because all I've heard on 6music news all week are those against

 

[stonerblue]

I forget her full name but tayna , who is a disabled lady athelete who is now in the lords was on loose women and i thought she did the wrong thing tying this to disabled people , it is not about the disabled , unless you are paralised from the neck down or something

She kept trying to tie it to canada where they do this for people and there has been more eligible people added there

She probably scared disabled people to death when it is not about us

She's full of shit.

 

[stonerblue]

Absolutely. I’d rather we had an evidence based discussion that medical professionals had a significant input in to it.

Having 400 odd people discuss it for a couple of weeks isn’t good enough. I’m not opposed to it, I’m opposed to it being badly done. What is being debated in parliament is not going to help many people so it will need to change - it feels like they are just trying to push the door ajar rather than come up with decent law.

Fully agree.

 

[bluethrunthru]

I forget her full name but tayna , who is a disabled lady athelete who is now in the lords was on loose women and i thought she did the wrong thing tying this to disabled people , it is not about the disabled , unless you are paralised from the neck down or something

She kept trying to tie it to canada where they do this for people and there has been more eligible people added there

She probably scared disabled people to death when it is not about us

wheelchair athlete Tanni Grey-Thompson?

 

[kaz7]

wheelchair athlete Tanni Grey-Thompson?

Yes that is the one , she is convinced that disabled people will be coerced into going for assisted dying when tbey are not even in consideration for that , the bill clearly states it is about six months to live with terminal diagnoses . It will be for things like cancer , hopefully mnd as well

One in two of us have cancer and it is about time we had a sensible discussion about it without scaring people

 

[kaz7]

She's full of shit.

I am surprised at her today . If by some miracle the mps have the guts to pass the bill it will be ammended every five mins and i think it is going to take two years , think i heard that said on the news

 

[bluethrunthru]

Yes that is the one , she is convinced that disabled people will be coerced into going for assisted dying when tbey are not even in consideration for that , the bill clearly states it is about six months to live with terminal diagnoses . It will be for things like cancer , hopefully mnd as well

One in two of us have cancer and it is about time we had a sensible discussion about it without scaring people

A lot of the opponents say this sort of thing pointing to similar mission creep in other countries and jurisdictions neatly overlooking the fact we are not those places and any such changes have to be made in law with the apparatus we are using to get a vote on it in the first place.

 

[kaz7]

A lot of the opponents say this sort of thing pointing to similar mission creep in other countries and jurisdictions neatly overlooking the fact we are not those places and any such changes have to be made in law with the apparatus we are using to get a vote on it in the first place.

I think the fact we can see what is happening in those other countries means we can see not to make the same mistakes here