President Trump

ChicagoBlue said:
Given the lack of freedom of expression in the UK
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I'm not patriotic in the slightest but one of the few things I'm grateful for is that I have the freedom to speak my mind without fear of retribution from the state.

Stop believing the absolute bollocks you read and watch from afar. It's not even slightly convincing propaganda.
 
Mr Kobayashi said:
Even on this forum there's people who supported riots because they have anti immigration and racist views. People so full of hate that they consume lies about immigrants completely uncritically.
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If they had to post their names, emails, phone numbers and places of employment, they'd probably think twice about it.

The anonymous internet is a place to indulge in a dark fantasy approach to human behavio(u)r.
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
If they had to post their names, emails, phone numbers and places of employment, they'd probably think twice about it.

The anonymous internet is a place to indulge in a dark fantasy approach to human behavio(u)r.
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You would think so but some people openly incited on Facebook during the riots. The obsession with immigrants runs deep with some.

There's one poster on here whose response to a father asking for help to bring his motherless children back to this country was it would be better off if they stayed where they were. How do you even begin to talk to someone like that? So obsessed with immigrants that they are so callous.

We can't moderate morons out of existence but we should be able to hold sites to account for spreading misinformation because unfortunately we can't trust morons to tell the difference between fact and fiction.

The twitter account that posted a still from a batman clip and claimed it was from Birmingham Hospital is still active.
 
Magicpole said:
I know what he’s trying to do and it’s just not stupid. He’s a Nazi rapist, nothing he does is funny. But, the US is like a dystopian, religious cult theme park. Wouldn’t be so bad, if you voting that scumbag in only affected the US. We aren’t a month in and the chaos the fat sack of moronic shit has caused already is off the scale.

Never have so many morons ever been present in such numbers, as you have today in the US and they are allowed to vote.
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Don’t hold back. What do you really think?

Devil’s advocate…What if what he is doing is what should have been done years ago, but it has been made more painful due to the time it has taken for someone to step up and say, “Quit fighting in Ukraine! Europe stand up and start paying! The U.S. is the biggest market for your goods in the world, but if you’re going to protect your home market with tariffs on certain goods, then we’re going to do likewise and let you feel pain, too! And, if the U.S., China and Russia would stop thinking the other is going to invade them or even attempt such folly, we could have a much more stable globe, with improved trade relations and an increase in the free flow of goods, which helps everyone, including producers and consumers.”

At least that’s what my more right-wing friends tell me…!
 
Mr Kobayashi said:
Is the world designed for people of your intelligence? Or is it designed for people of average to below average intelligence?

Even on this forum there's people who supported riots because they have anti immigration and racist views. People so full of hate that they consume lies about immigrants completely uncritically.

Do you think that bad actors should be able to spread lies and use these people to cause chaos?
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Sadly, we can’t legislate for intention or intelligence level, even though we often try.

I’d love nothing more than to believe people won’t smother in a plastic bag, but we still seem to need a warning label…even though it’s for people who can’t read!

I guess I have to believe in good people doing good things that will band together to stop bad people with bad intentions. After all, that’s all we really have, isn’t it?

As simplistic as that sounds, it’s the basic principle of life. Too bad there are so many bad actors believing they have some marginal gain to exact by being less than good.
 
Tugay One Cup said:
I'm not patriotic in the slightest but one of the few things I'm grateful for is that I have the freedom to speak my mind without fear of retribution from the state.

Stop believing the absolute bollocks you read and watch from afar. It's not even slightly convincing propaganda.
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Afar?

As a frequent visitor with all my remaining family in and around Manchester, plus consuming aLindy as much UK media as US, I’d like to think I can separate some of the wheat from the chaff.

Maybe, you just don’t know what real freedom feels like? For good or bad.
 
WT86 said:
Maybe there's some influence, but it takes two to tango and that they're finding an audience in Europe is an reflection of Europe. We don't write the Sun or the Mirror. We didn't give you Farage or Powell or Mosley. Reform is a reflection of British society at root. Murdoch is Australian and he built his empire in Britain, Musk is born and bred in South Africa, but I wouldn't say the commonwealth is at fault for Trump.
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It's probably quite dangerous for us to believe our own issues with the far right are caused by trump/musk/America. We (along with many western nations) are currently experiencing the socio-ecenomic conditions that allow the far right to flourish and get a foot in the door. If Trump and Musk somehow disappeared overnight those conditions would still exist until our politicians and societies find a way to address them.
 
I'm no lawyer, but this reads like absolute chickenshittery. Plaintiffs cannot prove irreparable harm. So does that mean AFTER there is irreparable harm, THEN they can file for a TRO to prevent what already occurred? Of course they can't prove what might happen -- they don't know -- that's the ENTIRE point of filing the TRO. Musk is in an office unapproved and unsanctioned by Congress. The POINT of the the approval process is to determine fitness and plans for the role. In this case, as the role is effectively undefined, and unapproved, there's no way to know what harm might be caused until after it's caused. That would seem to be an open and shut case as to WHY a TRO is needed!


That said, Plaintiffs raise a colorable Appointments Clause claim with serious implications. Musk has not been nominated by the President nor confirmed by the U.S. Senate, as constitutionally required for officers who exercise “significant authority pursuant to the laws of the United States.” Bypassing this “significant structural safeguard of the constitutional scheme,” Musk has rapidly taken steps to fundamentally reshape the Executive Branch. Even Defendants concede there is no apparent “source of legal authority granting [DOGE] the power” to take some of the actions challenged here. Accepting Plaintiffs’ allegations as true, Defendants’ actions are thus precisely the “Executive abuses” that the Appointments Clause seeks to prevent. But even a strong merits argument cannot secure a temporary restraining order at this juncture.

WTF?
 
Mr Kobayashi said:
Was it just opinion or outright lies?
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There are objective lies, even when seen through a subjective lens. I didn’t see the quote, but I believe you and I think it would be considered an objective lie to me.

Again, though, are we forcing everyone to wear a diaper because a few people shut their pants?

We have to be very careful not to allow the pendulum to swing too far in the opposite direction when trying to hem in objectively distasteful speech, because it’s hard to info once the pendulum swings back to the “good” side.

At some point, we have to gone to a consensus that we can live with a radical fringe by highlighting it as radical and fringe.

However, that said, I understand the concern that we may be in uncharted territory, especially with Musk running roughshod through the U.S. government while dispersing the infestation of right wing propaganda on X across the globe.

Believe me, I don’t like him one bit, but I’m wary of the usual reflexive “Box him in” mentality of anyone drawing outside OUR lines.
 
Nothing funnier than service personnel and vets being terminated eh? Lets all giggle - its the MAGA way - by Christmas the States will be unrecognisable

 
ChicagoBlue said:
Sadly, we can’t legislate for intention or intelligence level, even though we often try.

I’d love nothing more than to believe people won’t smother in a plastic bag, but we still seem to need a warning label…even though it’s for people who can’t read!

I guess I have to believe in good people doing good things that will band together to stop bad people with bad intentions. After all, that’s all we really have, isn’t it?

As simplistic as that sounds, it’s the basic principle of life. Too bad there are so many bad actors believing they have some marginal gain to exact by being less than good.
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How can you believe in that when more than half of the voting electorate voted for a mental rapist who tried to whip up a mob to kill his last VP?

The world isn't full of good people doing good things it's full of idiots.
 
Mr Kobayashi said:
How can you believe in that when more than half of the voting electorate voted for a mental rapist who tried to whip up a mob to kill his last VP?

The world isn't full of good people doing good things it's full of idiots.
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I'm afraid that's democracy for you. The fact that the opposition didn't manage to defeat the candidate you describe isn't a good look for them.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
I'm afraid that's democracy for you. The fact that the opposition didn't manage to defeat the candidate you describe isn't a good look for them.
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Well it's not a functioning democracy is it?

Which other Western democracy has elected someone after whipping up a mob to murder legislators because they couldn't handle losing an election?

It ceased to be a democracy very soon after Trump's inauguration. It's now on life support wrestling to survive before the parasites are able to totally consume their host.

Not sure how any other candidate could have defeated him when his voters would drink bleach and eat batteries if the great Donald told them it was okay.
 
Tugay One Cup said:
I'm sure you would like to think that but you've made it pretty clear that you can't.



You're being silly. Grow up.
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If that's how we are perceived, then that is how we are perceived. Take it as feedback from an outside observer - let's face it, we've all got plenty to say about his country.
 
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