President Trump

[flook]

Should i pur that down as a prediction? :)

put it down as a nailed on certainty if he lives that long

 

[Dax777]

You miss the point. It's not a hate crime if it's not already a crime.

Good point.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

I think quite a lot of the people are very culpable, after all they knew exactly what they were voting for didn’t they.?
And quite a lot of the people seem very happy with what he is doing, legal or not, both at home and abroad.

Single issue voters were always going to be an issue in the last election.

And when I say 'last' election, don't be surprised...

 

[KS55]

The Pledge

"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

You will note its a pledge of allegiance to the flag and the republic - NOT to the President - therefore I'd say unless he is able to change the constitution his office is subordinate to the state and the constitution so running for a 3rd term is to stage a coup.

In any event he will be almost 83 at that time - 5 years older than Biden was when he was elected as the oldest Pres. He will be lucky to be alive at that stage and in any event he is surrounded by lick spittles and traditionally when a leader gets old and infirm at one or more of them will fancy their chances and turn back stabber

Musk, god bless America.

 

[Dax777]

put it down as a nailed on certainty if he lives that long

My guy :)

 

[flook]

Its okay you feel that way. But objectively, there seems to greater freedom of speech in the U.S.

I think we've gotten it right here.

you think being able to lie and incite violence against a particular religion, colour or gender through those lies and not be held accountable for that is ok? Really?

OK well I hope for your sake that one day they don't come for you

 

[KS55]

Where dies the local prosecution service gets its powe from?

It is appointed on the public appointments rules. Our legal system does not encompass the idea that you have to elect public officials like judges etc for them to be legit. Indeed, campaigning for such posts is verboten both to candidates and politicians.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

you think being able to lie and incite violence against a particular religion, colour or gender through those lies and not be held accountable for that is ok? Really?

OK well I hope for your sake that one day they don't come for you

I doubt he'd engage in it or think it's okay, but he voted for a candidate he knew specifically and factually would encourage more of it. But it's okay as long as other "problems" get solved.

 

[flook]

Wheeeeeeeeeee…down the slippery slope we go!

If I say a transgender woman isn’t a woman, is that a hate crime? If I tell her she can’t compete in female sports? If I tell her the only “real” women have a different chromosomal make up that he/she does? Where’s the line in me making a point? Where is that one step too far? If I say he/she still looks like a man or that she looks “butch” for woman?

None of those are hate crimes, because none of those are crimes. So you are free to say them

Were you to add however something along the lines of "so stone him in the public square at sun down" then you are inciting violence, which is a crime, and because its due to her/his gender, then it becomes a hate crime.

It's really not difficult

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

take it up with chatgpt :)

Cuntgpt!

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Cuntgdm!

 

[flook]

"Any offense perceived by the victim or any other person to be motivated..."

Right there in the definition lies the problem. For all practical purpose, you don't have free speech whenever the government decides you don't.

along with Chicago, you've missed the point. First of all a crime has to have been committed (or potentially committed) before it can be a hate crime. So free speech up to the point of inciting violence (for example) is not affected, other than by good manners and common decency anyway. In short, you can be a **** up to a point

 

[flook]

Hate crime | The Crown Prosecution Service

www.cps.gov.uk

Worth saying for someone to be prosecuted they’d need to have committed a crime in the first place that then is judged to be a hate crime.

thats probably a better link than the chatgpt definition I posted, very similar but without the term "perceived" which seems to have ruffled a few feathers.

Fucking shit american software, about as reliable as the country itself

 

[pudge]

It's staggering that there's folk that don't think he's a ****

Ironically they too are cunts

 

[Dax777]

you think being able to lie and incite violence against a particular religion, colour or gender through those lies and not be held accountable for that is ok? Really?

OK well I hope for your sake that one day they don't come for you

It seems you haven't read my post on the difference between Free speech in both countries.

Incitement of violence is prohibited.

On the other hand, If lying is a jail worthy offense, many here should be in jail for what they've said about me on these pages :)

 

[Elbow beards]

It's staggering that there's folk that don't think he's a ****

Ironically they too are cunts

I've come to the conclusion that it's pointless engaging with them as they voted for him so their option is next to worthless. They are directly responsible for Ukraine being thrown to the wolves and making Europe somewhat less safe, So fuck them and their useless fucking options.

 

[Dax777]

It is appointed on the public appointments rules. Our legal system does not encompass the idea that you have to elect public officials like judges etc for them to be legit. Indeed, campaigning for such posts is verboten both to candidates and politicians.

I think we define government differently then.. i'd consider that the government.

 

[Dax777]

along with Chicago, you've missed the point. First of all a crime has to have been committed (or potentially committed) before it can be a hate crime. So free speech up to the point of inciting violence (for example) is not affected, other than by good manners and common decency anyway. In short, you can be a **** up to a point

Enjoy the game. We'll reconvene after :)

 

[flook]

It seems you haven't read my post on the difference between Free speech in both countries.

Incitement of violence is prohibited.

But isn't what Shitgibbon has been spouting about immigrants inciting violence?

 

[meltonblue]

I think we define government differently then.. i'd consider that the government.

Then you’re ignoring a fundamental tenet of our legal system, which is it is independent from the government.