Liz Truss

Yes. It is to our eternal shame that she was ever PM, and to our eternal credit we fucked her off within a month or so. And we had the lettuce. She will always be the lettuce. The iceberg that sank her Premiership.
If you think about the calibre of statesmen/women we've had over the last decade, it's thoroughly depressing.

Blair, for all his flaws, was a proper statesmen. Cameron, whom I loathed, was a proper statesmen; knew how to treat diplomacy with the delicacy it deserved.

I was hoping Starmer could reverse this generational paucity, alas he seems to have the integrity of soggy shreddies. And then there's the US. Fucking hell, the political titans of the past must be turning in their graves.
 
Blair, for all his flaws, was a proper statesmen. Cameron, whom I loathed, was a proper statesmen; knew how to treat diplomacy with the delicacy it deserved.

I was hoping Starmer could reverse this generational paucity, alas he seems to have the integrity of soggy shreddies. And then there's the US. Fucking hell, the political titans of the past must be turning in their graves.

See, this is the problem - Blair and Cameron were despised but on reflection they were 'proper statesmen' , Starmer is despised but when he's gone and replaced by a populist **** like Farage, we will look back and say we miss a proper statesmen like Starmer.
 
If you think about the calibre of statesmen/women we've had over the last decade, it's thoroughly depressing.

Blair, for all his flaws, was a proper statesmen. Cameron, whom I loathed, was a proper statesmen; knew how to treat diplomacy with the delicacy it deserved.

I was hoping Starmer could reverse this generational paucity, alas he seems to have the integrity of soggy shreddies. And then there's the US. Fucking hell, the political titans of the past must be turning in their graves.
Agree with you about Blair and Cameron. Both came across as statesmanlike. And as much as the jury might be out on Starmer on that score at the moment, he shits all over Liz Truss
 
See, this is the problem - Blair and Cameron were despised but on reflection they were 'proper statesmen' , Starmer is despised but when he's gone and replaced by a populist **** like Farage, we will look back and say we miss a proper statesmen like Starmer.
You only have to look at how John Major is now seen by people on both sides of the political divide as a voice of reason. Nobody is ever going to view Truss, Johnson, May or Sunak in a similar manner no matter how long they live.
 
You only have to look at how John Major is now seen by people on both sides of the political divide as a voice of reason. Nobody is ever going to view Truss, Johnson, May or Sunak in a similar manner no matter how long they live.

I think May was a true MP and cared for her constituents and country even though she was a Tory and a bit of a useless PM.
 
See, this is the problem - Blair and Cameron were despised but on reflection they were 'proper statesmen' , Starmer is despised but when he's gone and replaced by a populist **** like Farage, we will look back and say we miss a proper statesmen like Starmer.
Cameron was not a proper statesman. If he was he would have had the spuds, and the sense, to understand that an internal Tory Party row around the EU needed to be resolved by politicians doing the states work. Instead he took the ridiculous decision to open this up to misinformation, lies, agenda driven ambition, and allowed the chronically uninformed to decide on life affecting matters that has caused the single worst self inflicted wound ever upon this country. Something that is now even more relevant when Europe needs to be more cohesive than ever given the threat posed by Trump and his mate in Russia. Cameron should have dealt with it. Instead he fannied about. Statesman my arse!
 
Cameron was not a proper statesman. If he was he would have had the spuds, and the sense, to understand that an internal Tory Party row around the EU needed to be resolved by politicians doing the states work. Instead he took the ridiculous decision to open this up to misinformation, lies, agenda driven ambition, and allowed the chronically uninformed to decide on life affecting matters that has caused the single worst self inflicted wound ever upon this country. Something that is now even more relevant when Europe needs to be more cohesive than ever given the threat posed by Trump and his mate in Russia. Cameron should have dealt with it. Instead he fannied about. Statesman my arse!
Cameron had decimated Labour by empowering the SNP and he also killed the Lib Debs when he invited them to govern with him
What he tried to do was destroy Farage and any Brexiteers and if he'd succeeded would have solidified the Conservatives into power for a long long time
 

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