Media discussion - 2024/25

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cheekybids said:
The sub editors job is to entice anyone browsing to read it. I assume it’s not for me but fans of the Rags & Dippers…..
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It's a shame the writer (or the editor) went with 'found out' , which suggests Pep had hidden something or concealed or that his tactics were anti football. That apart, there is some good stuff in there and acknowledgement that it's been a special time/team.
Had to get a pop in, I suppose when his editor said ' they will never understand that - get 115 in there'.
 
Damocles said:
Pep Guardiola was a professional footballer at one of the best clubs in the world from the age of 13, he played under some of the greatest and most influential coaches in the history of football in the most tactically demanding position, winning 6 league titles and a European Cup. After this, he became the youngest manager ever to win the CL and completed a sextuple in his second professional season. Since that day he has consistently won major trophies in 3 separate countries including a Treble and 4 in a row in England which has never been done before in the history of the world's oldest football league, winning 40 major trophies so far in his 20ish year career, a trophies per game ratio higher than every manager in the history of professional football with a decent amount of games managed.

Alex Keble has no football experience either in terms of playing, coaching nor professional analysis and studied English literature at University before getting his start writing for betting sites.

So no, I have no interest in his "critique" of Pep's tactics. I am sick of the uneducated eloquents critiquing Pep fucking Guardiola.
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This is what depresses me about clowns who are overly critical of Pep. They pile in OTT. If you defend him you are happy clapper incapable of seeing through his inadequacies. Every Manager makes mistakes. You can criticise without calling for his head. He’s the most successful Manchester City manager in history and could possibly remain so for a very long time. If he wasn’t our manager the queue of clubs wanting his services would be vast. The furore if we City sacked him! The grief we give Leicester re Ranieri x 1 million.

The most important thing is we are so well run that, like you I’m very confident this is a 1-2 season blip.
 
Nephin Man said:
While there may be some basis for what you say, has the BBC always given such weight to the City angle, or is it changing its tune with the benefit of hindsight and/or previous criticism? We should remember, unlike the rest of the media, they are at least nominally accountable with the complaints procedure.

I can remember the 'Arab' and 'oil' epithets at the outset, the surgical breakdowns of spending in demoninations that inflated the numbers and compared them with the spending of clubs in different denominations that didn't, double standard non-stop references to the costs of players, the gutter press allowed to spread their garbage through the back door as guests, despite the blanket daily coverage of football, the failure over 17 years to identify the conflict between forbidding 'associated party' investment while allowing unconditional interest-free loans from owners and not asking, why, like Tony Bloom for example, Sheikh Mansour hadn't saved himself a lot of trouble by just lending himself the money, and consistently failing to give air time to the element of the City support who criticised UEFA and called the CAS and APT verdicts, not forgetting the gloating Ros Atkins 115 video. With the caveat we don't know the 115 verdict, I won't be letting the BBC off so lightly.
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Completely agree, they haven’t given as much weight to the city angle and there are definite troubling elements to their reporting. Interesting that you mention the Ros Atkins video, I have just rewatched it to remind myself about its details. You can’t argue that it isn’t factually correct, you can’t argue it doesn’t give significant weight to the city angle but there is a definite smugness.

Look, we have our bias media, we have media biased against us and I think it is important that there is some attempt at thorough balance reporting as well.
 
Centurions said:
Seems a strange way of thinking TBH, if you don't read it how would you know what it's about? I know some posters go purely off headlines (which are usually written by a sub editor for click reasons) but I'd have thought you'd at least read it, whether you agree or not.
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I read everything. But it doesn't mean I have to show it any respect. He has no qualification to critique Pep's tactics and his analysis on the evolution of football is trite and obvious. But the underlying logic of the whole article is that this is something that Pep hasn't identified despite him inventing it. His whole thesis point about what constitutes "Pep's football" is completely wrong. I have no respect for his tedious unqualified, uneducated opinions and fancy BBC graphics and cherry picked statistics aren't enough to change that.

Centurions said:
Does that mean that you didn't 'critique' Pep's reasons for benching Rodri against Chelsea in the CL final?
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No I didn't. You probably need to re-Google what critique means.
 
Whether or not said:
If Pep’s one month prediction is accurate, the 115 verdict is coming very soon. When we are acquitted of everything except failing to cooperate with a witch-hunt, the immediate media reaction will be fascinating. Some of the biggest schills will be protected from themselves by the in-house legal teams of the papers they work for, so presumably The Independent will stop Delaney from publishing anything defamatory or libellous for example. But the independent key board warriors and gobshite pundits, have no such filter, and hopefully they react with predictable fury and indiscipline. If that happens City need to react legally and send a brutally hard message that enough is enough.
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It’s going to be great, I hope many city fans online are ready to give it back to the content creators and posters who have been dishing it out, however the thought of our club taking legal action against those who have wronged us is too good for words.
 
Whether or not said:
I doubt very much that there have been many articles that did not use the word alleged, whereafter it is a free hit. Once we are cleared it is a very different matter.
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There have been plenty of oral statements on TV where the word alleged wasn’t deployed.
 
Klopp mentioning "Bad day for football" and Pep saying he respected Klopp when he left the cult was a bit too cringy, it's like we are in an abusive relationship and can't fight back.

"I'm glad Bingo has fucked off" would have been a better response.

www.football365.com

Klopp claims Man City appeal win 'not a good day for football' - Football365

Klopp also says he is happy Man City would be allowed to compete in the Champions League.
www.football365.com www.football365.com
 
mexico1970 said:
Klopp mentioning "Bad day for football" and Pep saying he respected Klopp when he left the cult was a bit too cringy, it's like we are in an abusive relationship and can't fight back.

"I'm glad Bingo has fucked off" would have been a better response.

www.football365.com

Klopp claims Man City appeal win 'not a good day for football' - Football365

Klopp also says he is happy Man City would be allowed to compete in the Champions League.
www.football365.com www.football365.com
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More like being the big man and taking the moral high ground.
 
Mancity1980 said:
More like being the big man and taking the moral high ground.
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There is no moral ground, he could have just said fuck all couldn't he?

Instead he said "I respect him", totally off after the coin incident and the bus trashing as well as the nasty comments over the years.
 
YaYa's Left Peg said:
It seems a strange way of thinking, equating a decision in one game to Pep's tactics being 'found out', especially considering what we went on to achieve since that infamous game against Chelsea.

We have had the perfect storm of a season, with bad decisions (on and off the pitch), unforeseen injuries, and bad luck. And despite that, we are still fourth in the table and potentially on target to win a domestic cup. Wow, if that's us being 'found out', especially given the mitigating factors, I'll take it all day.

I have no doubts in my mind that we will be back, stronger and better. It might take a couple of seasons, but with Pep at the helm, and with our resources, it's only a matter of time. Until then, we can console ourselves in the fact that it will be a bloody long time (if ever) before any other team achieves a four-peat, 100 points in a season, and domestic and European trebles. However, I wouldn't write off it being City as the next team to achieve any one of those.

Until then, up the fucking blues!
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I read your first sentence and since that's not what I said, I stopped reading. Sorry.
 
MeatnSpudsMCFC said:
Probably the most effective.

Haaland/De Bruyne link-up during the treble season was seriously compelling to watch though. First time I genuinely felt it was a superstar duo. We were playing teams like Bayern Munich and Real Madrid yet those two were the biggest names on the pitch.
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We have been blessed to watch Pep's team throughout his tenure. I know we haven't been anywhere near this season but if anyone is going to turn us around it's this bloke.
 
Centurions said:
Did you bother reading it or just decide beforehand that it was nonsense? I found it interesting myself.

www.bbc.co.uk

Man City: Why Pep Guardiola's tactics stopped working amid rise of rapid football

BBC Sport analyses why Pep Guardiola's possession-focused tactics have stopped working amid the rise in rapid, direct football.
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I thought it was pretty spot on mate and I don`t understand how people can criticise this piece when they talk pretty much what a lot of us have been saying for a few months now.
 
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