Away fans / tourists in home sections

Main issue is the club haven’t tackled these matters in anyway, everyone’s backs are up from the off, I’ve seen more where have you got your tickets at away games blah blah lately causing multiple arguments. Blue on blue never went away. Clubs got everyone second guessing who’s blues at the minute. Making normal fans jump through hoops to find rows of neutrals etc is just pouring fuel on the fire.

It’s a good job we’ve had a slight drop off in a way as it may force the club to rethink, had we had another good season who knows.

OT away will be on sale soon that’s the potential for a big melting pot if ticket office piss about again.
 
jrb said:
My opinion. It doesn't mean I 'm right,

A football tourist is a general term for a person who isn't a City fan, and has come from abroad to watch a City (PL) match.

That person could have come from Europe, Africa, the Middle East, Asia, the Far East, the Americas, the Pacific countries, etc.

There is nothing racist about calling any of those people football tourists.
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For me, a football tourist is a person who isn't a City fan. Nationality has got nothing to do with it. They can be from Manchester, Stoke, London, anywhere. I don't really want football tourists at City, but if City fans aren't going to buy up seats, and City are playing in big games, some will come. I would focus on why seasoncard holders are opting out of the Cup games. Almost certainly this is down to cost

What's stopping traditional City fans from going to games is the cost imo. We need a strong home end and then when new fans come to City they will buy into that.

I know there are some tourists at games. I hate the half and half scarf thing as much as any long standing fan but I had the feeling that this was being pinned on a larger Asian fanbase that we seem to be attracting. I think we can deal with issues by being positive i.e., campaigning around ticket prices, and allocation, rather than targeting football tourism. If people want to come to a game, and there are tickets available they will. It's up the hard-core of supporters to make their culture the most attractive as possible.
 
Makes me laugh when the Club send out the E Mail after the game regarding The Experience " I replied yesterday telling them to stop selling tickets in the home end
They won't listen
So next time it's deleted
 
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Marvin. said:
For me, a football tourist is a person who isn't a City fan. Nationality has got nothing to do with it. They can be from Manchester, Stoke, London, anywhere. I don't really want football tourists at City, but if City fans aren't going to buy up seats, and City are playing in big games, some will come. I would focus on why seasoncard holders are opting out of the Cup games. Almost certainly this is down to cost

What's stopping traditional City fans from going to games is the cost imo. We need a strong home end and then when new fans come to City they will buy into that.

I know there are some tourists at games. I hate the half and half scarf thing as much as any long standing fan but I had the feeling that this was being pinned on a larger Asian fanbase that we seem to be attracting. I think we can deal with issues by being positive i.e., campaigning around ticket prices, and allocation, rather than targeting football tourism. If people want to come to a game, and there are tickets available they will. It's up the hard-core of supporters to make their culture the most attractive as possible.
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the problem isn't that city fans aren't taking up the seats - ticketing agencies are buying big swathes of tickets and selling them to these 'tourists'. I struggled to get a ticket for the Liverpool game through the official website - spent ages pressing refresh waiting for a resale to appear - even then i had to get a ticket in a completely separate stand to my son.
 
Tim of the Oak said:
A lot of British Asians in Leeds seem to support Liverpool and some have told me it’s because of Leeds Utd’s reputation for racism.
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I would say this is partially true, and have written about it on here in the past. It's more about wanting/needing to fit in and the easier choice is the team with the biggest support who are winning. Leeds were mostly successful in the early 70s and the generation of Asians at that time would (mostly) be 1st generation, they would have no interest in football. 80s was Liverpool and Utd at the end, so its natural they both have a huge following. But clearly if you are afraid of a set of fans, you would naturally not support that team.

Re tourist fans, no issues with it myself except the club is trying to push everything that way to the detriment of the core fans. You get tourist fans at Barca, Real Madrid, Bayern, Milan, but they're not preferred to your core fans and an extra effort is made to make sure they are happy. City need to do more IMO.
 
St Helens Blue (Exiled) said:
If you transfer the ticket to someone in your friends and family they can literally send it onto anyone with an apple wallet or android wallet
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Are you sure that's true? I didn't think if a ticket went to F&F they could simply send it to anyone else's Wallet? Thought the recipient from your family memebr who transferred it would also need membership etc?
 
Marvin. said:
For me, a football tourist is a person who isn't a City fan. Nationality has got nothing to do with it. They can be from Manchester, Stoke, London, anywhere. I don't really want football tourists at City, but if City fans aren't going to buy up seats, and City are playing in big games, some will come. I would focus on why seasoncard holders are opting out of the Cup games. Almost certainly this is down to cost

What's stopping traditional City fans from going to games is the cost imo. We need a strong home end and then when new fans come to City they will buy into that.

I know there are some tourists at games. I hate the half and half scarf thing as much as any long standing fan but I had the feeling that this was being pinned on a larger Asian fanbase that we seem to be attracting. I think we can deal with issues by being positive i.e., campaigning around ticket prices, and allocation, rather than targeting football tourism. If people want to come to a game, and there are tickets available they will. It's up the hard-core of supporters to make their culture the most attractive as possible.
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But the Liverpool game sold out in July as soon as it went on sale to members with a purchase history of 5 home games or more from the start of the previous season, and the second release of tickets sold out pretty much instantly with the same criteria a few weeks back. In other words, every ticket that was released for sale on the planner sold out to a City fan as soon as they went on sale. So that then begs the question as to why there were still so many non-City fans and Liverpool fans in the home sections on Sunday. Anyone with half a brain cell can see why. As with pretty much any big game, the main culprits aren't City fans passing their tickets on - it's the club chasing pound notes by selling batches of tickets (that never went on sale to City fans in the first place) to third-party ticket agencies or as hospitality packages to anyone and everyone who is prepared to stump up the cash and the club not giving a single fuck whether they're a City fan or not as long as they get their money. There's simply next to no vetting process when they sell tickets - directly or indirectly - in this way. The only thing they ask is that away colours aren't displayed but that's fuck-all as any **** can still walk into the home end incognito.
 
Giovinco said:
Speaking to a mate who works as security and was there yesterday.

Probably already mentioned but the club did apparently make efforts to decline tickets being bought with Liverpool post codes. Seems to be an issue whereby season ticket holders are reselling their tickets for double or triple the price.

Not sure if this is actually what’s happening.
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Brilliant, the club are going to try and blame it on the fans then. What a bunch of wankers we have running the club.
 
Giovinco said:
Speaking to a mate who works as security and was there yesterday.

Probably already mentioned but the club did apparently make efforts to decline tickets being bought with Liverpool post codes. Seems to be an issue whereby season ticket holders are reselling their tickets for double or triple the price.

Not sure if this is actually what’s happening.
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That wouldn’t explain why there are whole rows full of away fans?
 
Marvin. said:
For me, a football tourist is a person who isn't a City fan. Nationality has got nothing to do with it. They can be from Manchester, Stoke, London, anywhere. I don't really want football tourists at City, but if City fans aren't going to buy up seats, and City are playing in big games, some will come. I would focus on why seasoncard holders are opting out of the Cup games. Almost certainly this is down to cost

What's stopping traditional City fans from going to games is the cost imo. We need a strong home end and then when new fans come to City they will buy into that.

I know there are some tourists at games. I hate the half and half scarf thing as much as any long standing fan but I had the feeling that this was being pinned on a larger Asian fanbase that we seem to be attracting. I think we can deal with issues by being positive i.e., campaigning around ticket prices, and allocation, rather than targeting football tourism. If people want to come to a game, and there are tickets available they will. It's up the hard-core of supporters to make their culture the most attractive as possible.
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FFS, a tourist is a general term for a foreign person who comes to this country for a specific reason, be it a holiday, to visit, to take in a football match, etc. Why are you getting so hung up on the tourist word? It's not racist. It isn't used on purpose to target or to highlight Asian football fans who come from abroad to watch City play. You're making an issue out of that and the tourist word, and linking them together.

I'm going back to Hungary later this year for a week. My parents are Hungarian. My relatives live over there. I'm going as a Hungarian by blood. As a British person by birth. I have a British passport. I could get a Hungarian passport. When I go over there I will be classed as a tourist. I don't have a problem with that.

I'm out of your stupid and pointless conversation about tourists that will keep on going around in circles, as you won't let it go.

The main issue isn't tourists, it's what the club are doing with the match tickets. That's what everyone is mainly pissed off about. And season ticket and match day ticket prices. If City want to fill the Etihad with tourists let them do that. In the end it won't bother me if I'm no longer going to City games. Like hundreds of City fans on this forum I've seen 34 years of City winning fuck all in front of 20,000 fans, to City winning everything in front of 54,0000.
 
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Just give them the minimal rating for everything. Corporations are obsessed with performance indicators and feedback. If the mean average was one star, they'll either stop asking or do something about it. I suspect the former.
On another note..
This business with the police and the banner doesn't sit right with me. I think 1894 should be contacting GMP for a written explanation. And if they refuse, ask again publicly, and keep asking until an answer is forthcoming. Specifically, what offence it contravenes. It looks to me like over reach. There was nothing remotely offensive, it's a valid point of view. As far as I can see the police are there to preserve public order, not enforce club rules.
I've seen a recent clip of protesters in St Peters Sq, tearing up our national flag in front of a line of police officers who didn't bat an eyelid. A deliberately provocotive act.
I hate whataboutary but what was their rationale for having that banner removed from view, and on who's authority? Questions that should be being asked.
 
Giovinco said:
Speaking to a mate who works as security and was there yesterday.

Probably already mentioned but the club did apparently make efforts to decline tickets being bought with Liverpool post codes. Seems to be an issue whereby season ticket holders are reselling their tickets for double or triple the price.

Not sure if this is actually what’s happening.
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Its not season ticket holders, not to the level its becoming.

Its the other sites tickets are being sold on. The club know this and refuse to admit it.

Why not have photo id linked to our city ticket accounts? anyone who has a ST or match day account, can just transfer tickets across easily and then if there is an issue, the club/stewards whoever can look at the details and see who it is and who it should be on the seat.

I'd also ban half and half scarfs!
 
M18CTID said:
But the Liverpool game sold out in July as soon as it went on sale to members with a purchase history of 5 home games or more from the start of the previous season, and the second release of tickets sold out pretty much instantly with the same criteria a few weeks back. In other words, every ticket that was released for sale on the planner sold out to a City fan as soon as they went on sale. So that then begs the question as to why there were still so many non-City fans and Liverpool fans in the home sections on Sunday. Anyone with half a brain cell can see why. As with pretty much any big game, the main culprits aren't City fans passing their tickets on - it's the club chasing pound notes by selling batches of tickets (that never went on sale to City fans in the first place) to third-party ticket agencies or as hospitality packages to anyone and everyone who is prepared to stump up the cash and the club not giving a single fuck whether they're a City fan or not as long as they get their money. There's simply next to no vetting process when they sell tickets - directly or indirectly - in this way. The only thing they ask is that away colours aren't displayed but that's fuck-all as any **** can still walk into the home end incognito.
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Anyone can buy a matchday membership. They could be a genuine City fan of course but they could also be a tout, or just someone wanting to make a few quid selling on tickets for big games. This blind faith that it's not fans but the club really is a problem. There are some who simply refuse to believe a word the club says or assume the worst case scenario without a shred of evidence to support their view.

I do agree the club is part of the problem, certainly by authorising a number of partners to sell tickets as part of hospitality packages, as well as not being too careful who it sells hospitality packages to directly. And there are probably other things it could do better.

We aren't a local club anymore, we're a global attraction these days and people need to understand what comes with that. Personally I'm ok with people who aren't City fans having the opportunity of coming to watch us, in the same way I could go a watch a game at another club I'm not a fan of. There's plenty on here who have done that, me included. We can't have it both ways but that's what some on here seem to want.

What we need is for the club to go back to first principles on how it sells tickets and have a genuinely honest and transparent two-way conversation with the fans. The problem is that the club does things that go wrong, then tell the fans, including City Matters, afterwards.

There's a technique in the business analysis field I work in called 'The 7 So-Whats'. It's poorly named as the 'So What" isn't an expression of disinterest but more like "Well if we do that, what's the outcome?" It's also called Second-Order Thinking. The problem is that the only 'So What' question the club asks itself is how much money will we make by doing this. That is unlikely to change while people like Ferrari Soriano and Roel De Vries are running the show.
 
Again not targeting tourists. Many tourists want to buy seats on L1 so they can film the match and film the players. The Haaland penalty against Real Madrid, and his knee slide towards the lower tier of the CB stand with hundreds of tourists filming him is proof of that. There's a great picture of that happening, but I can't find it on Google.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
Anyone can buy a matchday membership. They could be a genuine City fan of course but they could also be a tout, or just someone wanting to make a few quid selling on tickets for big games. This blind faith that it's not fans but the club really is a problem. There are some who simply refuse to believe a word the club says or assume the worst case scenario without a shred of evidence to support their view.

I do agree the club is part of the problem, certainly by authorising a number of partners to sell tickets as part of hospitality packages, as well as not being too careful who it sells hospitality packages to directly. And there are probably other things it could do better.

We aren't a local club anymore, we're a global attraction these days and people need to understand what comes with that. Personally I'm ok with people who aren't City fans having the opportunity of coming to watch us, in the same way I could go a watch a game at another club I'm not a fan of. There's plenty on here who have done that, me included. We can't have it both ways but that's what some on here seem to want.

What we need is for the club to go back to first principles on how it sells tickets and have a genuinely honest and transparent two-way conversation with the fans. The problem is that the club does things that go wrong, then tell the fans, including City Matters, afterwards.

There's a technique in the business analysis field I work in called 'The 7 So-Whats'. It's poorly named as the 'So What" isn't an expression of disinterest but more like "Well if we do that, what's the outcome?" It's also called Second-Order Thinking. The problem is that the only 'So What' question the club asks itself is how much money will we make by doing this. That is unlikely to change while people like Ferrari Soriano and Roel De Vries are running the show.
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Absolutely Col, and I'm not disputing that. My point about this game is that there was pretty strict criteria in place and simply having a match day membership wouldn't bypass that as you also needed the 5 games minimum purchase history from the start of last season. A tout might well have that purchase history but doubtful that a non-City fan would, and even more doubtful that a Liverpool fan would. So yes, while not absolutely watertight, those restrictions around this particular game would make it difficult for a Liverpool fan to obtain a ticket in the home areas via that route, but they would find it very easy getting one through the hospitality or third-party agency route.

You're right that the tourists will be attracted to the club these days and that's fine in itself. I'd be a hypocrite if I said they should be banned or whatever because I've been a football tourist myself in the past. The issue for many of us is non-City fans in home areas openly celebrating opposition goals, etc. It's bound to wind people up if it carries on happening, and in no way does that mean I condone the haymakers that were being thrown around in 115 during that incident on Sunday.
 
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