Elon Musk

inbetween said:
Nope I leased privately, Model 3 RWD. The deal I got at the time was great however I think the depreciation kick in has really killed the prospect of another. They're something like £500pm+ now, no chance. I've still got another year on the lease.

I'll look at salary sacrifice but I only do 6-8k miles pa so unsure if it's worth it. I do like the electric BMW's but they're probably miles out of my price range to be honest, I think a £40k(ish) car would be my limit.

I did look at the Polestars years ago, the 2 was the only model they had back then so I will have another look. The standard ones are a bit slower though and the performance versions are priced in Model Y territory..
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Yeah but even a standard electric has performance levels most people will never actually use :) If you can do salary sacrifice then depending on your salary it’s a no brainer for most models and might stretch your budget more. Low mileage works even better.

Polestar (and bmw unless you get the top end and the byd seal) performance are less than the Tesla in terms of 0-60, real world you won’t ever feel the difference. They’re all far better cars to actually drive and a lot nicer to sit in though.
 
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inbetween said:
I bet a significant number of people couldn't name the Tesla CEO, let alone who Elon Musk is, let alone his brand of politics.

If you look at the EV market itself then what's really happening is the competition is becoming fierce and Tesla are no longer alone, it has nothing to do with Musk. The only real affordable EV brand that existed 2-3 years ago was Tesla but now there are loads of options. Tesla's previous USP was also their charging network but that's now open to the masses if you pay for it.

Anyone like me will be coming up to the end of their leases and BYD will become a serious option and the reason for that is pretty simple, they're cheaper. BYD did not exist in the UK EV market 2 years ago. Tesla really need to crack the case on the sub <£40k car (ignoring all the shitty taxes and tariffs) and they haven't been able to do it.

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You are right about one thing, and that is that competition is fierce in the marketplace with numerous manufacturers offering competitive products which is something that makes even the current SP ridiculously high. Once the market fully wakes up to the fact that Tesla is just another company in the automotive and tech sectors with decent competition from other companies in both sectors, the SP will fall back to a more appropriate level based on fundamentals not hype, which means it will go down hugely. At the moment the benefits to the company of Musk effectively having a huge say in government regulation and spending is offset by the fact that no one with a conscience wants to be associated with the swasticar brand.
 
inbetween said:
I bet a significant number of people couldn't name the Tesla CEO, let alone who Elon Musk is, let alone his brand of politics.

If you look at the EV market itself then what's really happening is the competition is becoming fierce and Tesla are no longer alone, it has nothing to do with Musk.
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You’re beyond clueless or wilfully ignoring what’s been taking place over the last two months.

Tesla sales are down year on year whilst nearly every other manufacturer of EV’s are up. There is a huge backlash around the world and in the US to Elon fucking Musk and people not wanting to be associated with his vehicle, of which he’s very much the face of.

It has everything to do with Musk no matter how much you wish to bury your head in the sand about it.

"Nobody wants to be associated with Musk's behaviour," said German automotive industry expert Ferdinand Dudenhoeffer.

Yet the brand and its boss are "almost inseparable", he added.
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Musk risks putting EU buyers off Tesla: analysts

Elon Musk's rapprochement with US President Donald Trump, his backing of European far-right parties and attacks on diversity policies could drive European buyers away from Tesla, analysts say.
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The backlash has been particularly strong in Germany, where Musk has voiced firm support for the far-right AfD party -- a political taboo in a country where the Nazi past remains a sensitive subject.


Stickers bearing the message "I bought this car before Elon went crazy" started showing up on German Tesla cars, as they had in the United States.

Musk, the world's richest man, also drew uproar with a gesture at a Trump rally critics likened to a Nazi salute -- allegations which the Tesla boss has rejected.

At the end of January, activists projected a giant image of Musk's gesture and the word "Heil" onto the outside of a Tesla plant near Berlin.

"Germany remains very sensitive to its history and Musk's political rhetoric is potentially toxic, given that Tesla consumers are partly motivated by environmental concerns," said German automotive analyst Matthias Schmidt.

You can find similar stories from nearly every country in Europe and people in the US are taking huge losses to get out of their Tesla leases. He’s toxic to anyone not on the far right and those sister fingering cunts ain’t buying electric cars.

You’ve told us you own one so it’s quite obvious that you’re ignoring facts and association with him to save face but you’d make less of a show of yourself by simply not visiting this thread.
 
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Blue Maverick said:
And air traffickers have to retire at 56 for a reason, the guy hasn’t a fucking clue.
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The problem with a lot of billionaires is that they actually believe their own hype. They think that they are generally super-talented individuals who could lend their expertise to anything. So you end up with stupid situations, even on the more well-meaning end, like Bill Gates thinking he can 'solve education' because he's good at coding and running a multinational corporation, as if there aren't plenty of supremely talented actual experts working on the problem already.
 
I'm With Stupid said:
The problem with a lot of billionaires is that they actually believe their own hype. They think that they are generally super-talented individuals who could lend their expertise to anything. So you end up with stupid situations, even on the more well-meaning end, like Bill Gates thinking he can 'solve education' because he's good at coding and running a multinational corporation, as if there aren't plenty of supremely talented actual experts working on the problem already.
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It must be very hard when you are that wealthy and powerful not to believe your own hype.
 
west didsblue said:
You are right about one thing, and that is that competition is fierce in the marketplace with numerous manufacturers offering competitive products which is something that makes even the current SP ridiculously high. Once the market fully wakes up to the fact that Tesla is just another company in the automotive and tech sectors with decent competition from other companies in both sectors, the SP will fall back to a more appropriate level based on fundamentals not hype, which means it will go down hugely. At the moment the benefits to the company of Musk effectively having a huge say in government regulation and spending is offset by the fact that no one with a conscience wants to be associated with the swasticar brand.
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The car industry is mega difficult and Tesla was first on the scene plus they came with a solution to the infrastructure problem which otherwise made EV's an impossible buy 4-5 years ago. They were also a bit cultish and with the features on offer plus the performance it was always going to become a market leader.

That isn't really the case anymore, the infrastructure networks are miles better and Tesla's aren't the cheapest or best car. Indeed he has probably damaged the brand but I don't think it's primarily responsible. People are just looking elsewhere and as you say Tesla is slowly becoming just another car company. The novel ideas around self driving just aren't going to attract anyone, it costs like £5k+ and nobody is going to pay that.

Either way he indeed has to reinvent the company and focus on other strengths such as battery technology. That isn't going to happen though because of who he is involved in politically. I still cannot fathom how he has found himself in bed with political climate deniers when he runs an EV company and isn't actually a climate denier.

Trump is also transactional so when it comes to cars he'll pick the highest bidder and it won't be Musk given he stands more or less alone in the electric car lobby. The other American car manufacturers would rather just make gas guzzlers for eternity because otherwise they'll have to invest in reinvention and then they're bankrupt.
 
inbetween said:
It has been the best car I've ever had to be honest, brilliant to drive and it has never let me down and I don't miss paying £60 a pop to fill it up. I think it has cost me around £200-£250 in electricity over the 3 years I've had it. I had a hire car this week for travel with work, a brand new Nissan Juke and it was an absolute pig in comparison.

I'd get another one but I don't think I can afford another hence now looking at BYD but I don't know much about them to be honest. All I know is that every bugger in the office seems to be in the process of getting one.

And yes red is definitely off the table! :)
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Why would you buy or lease a Tesla if your only doing between 2000 to 2500 miles, over 3 years
 
So Musk wants the US to “liberate” the UK from our tyrannical government now eh?

So glad I wouldn’t ever own a Tesla. Gonna love watching that stock plummet.
 
I'm With Stupid said:
The problem with a lot of billionaires is that they actually believe their own hype. They think that they are generally super-talented individuals who could lend their expertise to anything. So you end up with stupid situations, even on the more well-meaning end, like Bill Gates thinking he can 'solve education' because he's good at coding and running a multinational corporation, as if there aren't plenty of supremely talented actual experts working on the problem already.
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The difference between Gates and most (but not all) billionaires, is that Gates is actually incredibly smart - Musk isn't. Whatever take Gates makes public on a topic is bound to be very well researched. I'm not sure what you have against Gates' beliefs about education, but his charity work in this area seems reasonable.
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K-12 Education

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Blue Maverick said:
And air traffickers have to retire at 56 for a reason, the guy hasn’t a fucking clue.
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Would you rather have two air traffic controllers during a busy period, one of whom is 58 years old, or just one overloaded 30 year old?
That's why Elon Musk is slightly more rich than you are.
 
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