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BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
With respect, I disagree on all points.

MAGA is a belief system. It goes way beyond Trump. Vance - or someone else - will take up the MAGA mantle when the Orange One is no longer able.

Even if the constitution is trampled and somehow Trump gets a third term - even then - I can't foresee a civil war. I can see widespread protests violently suppressed by the government.

Musk isn't running the government, Trump is. It's strange to me that Musk is still around. Invariably though he'll upset Trump and then he's out.
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Maga is a cult. Cults rarely survive the demise of the leader.
 
Dumb duo spent all of last week pushing some stupid narrative about Europe loosing free speech only to shutdown someone who had a genuine reason for the world to hear his voice.

Champions of free speech and transparency yet his administration seems bent on rewriting Americas history and sweeping slavery and the civil rights heroes under the rug.
 
KS55 said:
Maga is a cult. Cults rarely survive the demise of the leader.
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MAGA is a belief system whose voice first found popular expression in Trump. It has aspects of a cult following - but it will outlive Trump.

Put it this way - let's say that Trump vanished into thin air tomorrow. Vance takes the Presidency. Does anything change? If anything, it might actually get worse under Vance - and Vance's popularity among MAGA will rise.
 
Shuffs said:
BBC "impartial" reporting makes it sound like it's all Zelensky's fault.

Cunts.
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The Trump arse licking (it's normally the other way around if you believe the rumours of him being in the pee and choc videos) is getting ridiculous at this point. The DailyMail said he had an imposing alpha presence when he met Macron and repeated the same thing about his meeting with Starmer.

The fool bumbled his way through both meetings and had to be corrected on numerous occasions. So stupid even his brain dead vice had to correct him a few times yesterday.
 
BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
MAGA is a belief system whose voice first found popular expression in Trump. It has aspects of a cult following - but it will outlive Trump.

Put it this way - let's say that Trump vanished into thin air tomorrow. Vance takes the Presidency. Does anything change? If anything, it might actually get worse under Vance - and Vance's popularity among MAGA will rise.
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Trump has the gift of the gab and holds the uneducated in his hands. No-one else does that and that will be their demise.
 
BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
MAGA is a belief system whose voice first found popular expression in Trump. It has aspects of a cult following - but it will outlive Trump.

Put it this way - let's say that Trump vanished into thin air tomorrow. Vance takes the Presidency. Does anything change? If anything, it might actually get worse under Vance - and Vance's popularity among MAGA will rise.
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Vance hasn’t got Trumps charisma ( best word I can think of) the weirdo is an awkward public speaker off the cuff, Musk too. The Nazis had no back up to Hitler, Kruszchev was no Stalin. Maga will continue but it’s more like Trumpism just now.
 
KS55 said:
Trump has the gift of the gab and holds the uneducated in his hands. No-one else does that and that will be their demise.
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Completely disagree - but we're both speculating. My upbringing in the US informs me that you are almost certainly wrong... but it's simply my opinion versus yours. I do agree that MAGA will be less effective without Trump unless they find another charismatic leader. But MAGA is here to stay - with or without Trump - for decades.

Time will tell - 4 or more years from now. I hope I'm wrong - but I very much don't think so at all.
 
west didsblue said:
As most people have suggested, it was a set up. There were two possible outcomes which would have ended with the same result.

One would have been Zelenskyy caving in and signing the deal which would have handed over mineral rights with no security guarantees, a deal which would have fallen apart almost immediately with no changes to Russia’s belligerence and ultimately victory for Putin with Ukraine’s wealth shared by Russia and the US.

The second was what happened. Zelenskyy refused to cave in and Shitgibbon and Vance would start the bullshit that he’s ungrateful and doesn’t want peace followed by a withdrawal of support leaving a clear run for Russia and a pay off by Putin.

The problem now for Trump is that they overplayed it and made himself and Vance look like a pair of gangsters trying to strongman a weaker gang to kowtow to them leaving Ukraine’s European allies little choice but to double down on their support for Ukraine. Even some Trump appeasing posters on here are now being openly critical of the orange ****. If that’s happening here I can only imagine it’s eroding his support at home now it’s even clearer he’s up Putin’s arse.

Dangerous times ahead.
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Nailed it.
 
Koniec said:
Vance hasn’t got Trumps charisma ( best word I can think of) the weirdo is an awkward public speaker off the cuff, Musk too. The Nazis had no back up to Hitler, Kruszchev was no Stalin. Maga will continue but it’s more like Trumpism just now.
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Agree to some extent. MAGA sans Trump would seem to lack as popular a leader. The sentiment remains though.
 
Very choice language/words when it gets to the staged part. How many times does the orange twat repeat the shouting of 'dictate' to Zelensky when that word hasn't been used at all leading up to the exchange ('you can't dictate to us how we'd feel' at least twice).

The pair of cunts need media training, though. Not all media outlets bought it (just the ones on the payroll).
 
johnny crossan said:
Vance sneering "you are forcing conscripts to the front line because of manpower problems" is a line to remember.
Champagne time in Moscow.
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Beyond ironic seeing as Putin emptied his jails of at least 140,000 hardened criminals to throw into the front line as well as having 12,000 North Korean troops and a seemingly inexaustible supply of Iranian made attack drones.
 
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