Russian invasion of Ukraine

gordondaviesmoustache said:
A couple of things occur about the latest development. Firstly it’s got to be the end of US military aid to Ukraine, full stop, as the basis for resumption is an irrational one, given the resumption of arms supplies is based on a commitment to engaging in peace talks. If the latter were to happen (and based upon a US subjective assessment) then the former wouldn’t be required. It’s over.

The second thing is that these supplies are based on previous US commitments and so the starting point from here is that the US will not keep to any agreement it makes or will make - and this should inform the policy of every nation dealing with it, especially Europe as this approach has to apply to Article 5.

Bad faith actors and a rogue state. What a fucking state of affairs.
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Exactly this.

Cannot be trusted under any circumstances going forward.
 
Manchester33 said:
Europe…. Time to step up. Time to escalate. The USA is out. Let’s fuck Putin up without them.
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Yep. Europe needs to go it alone now as a Trump-led America can't be trusted. If at some point in the future when the orange-faced **** and his cronies have fucked off out of the White House (sooner rather than later hopefully) then we can leave the door open for them to get back on board, but as of now we need to assume that they're no longer an ally.
 
waspish said:
How much more money/Arms has Europe given Ukraine than America anyone know the figures?
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Slightly more than the US for military aid - a lot more in humanitarian aid - and the gap in military spending was due to increase in 2025.
All figues are here:
www.ifw-kiel.de

Ukraine Support Tracker - A Database of Military, Financial and Humanitarian Aid to Ukraine

The Ukraine Support Tracker lists and quantifies military, financial and humanitarian aid promised by governments to Ukraine.
www.ifw-kiel.de www.ifw-kiel.de
 
M18CTID said:
Yep. Europe needs to go it alone now as a Trump-led America can't be trusted. If at some point in the future when the orange-faced **** and his cronies have fucked off out of the White House (sooner rather than later hopefully) then we can leave the door open for them to get back on board, but as of now we need to assume that they're no longer an ally.
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There is no other logical approach to take.
 
Slipper One said:
It does, but it just reminded me of a conversation I had with an old school friend who was then a Major in the army, just before he was deployed out to Iraq in 2003.

I asked him something about the Iraqi military and he was fairly dismissive of them as a whole.
However, he did say that although they weren't frighted of the Iraqi's, they were frightened of the American's. Something along the lines of all gung-ho and shoot first and ask questions later. Dangerous to be working with.
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They were totally shit soldiers in WW2.

Monte Casino. A strategic hill where the Germans were dug in.
British soldiers attacked and captured it. As they looked to move on it was handed over to the Americans who promptly lost it. Unfortunately, not down the back of the sofa, they lost it to the Nazis.
It was down to the British army to come back and retake it.
They were no better in the 1980's when I was told a great story by an ex army bloke.
 
Jimmieblue said:
We’ll see what happens. The alternative is not good.
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So, that was it all along. Why didn’t you just say so, at least we there could have been debate rather than all the dancing around it.

As I said, nobody is that naive. Your aim was to obfuscate, because you knew your opinion wouldn’t be accepted. And no wonder with those thoughts.
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
So, that was it all along. Why didn’t you just say so, at least we there could have been debate rather than all the dancing around it.

As I said, nobody is that naive. Your aim was to obfuscate, because you knew your opinion wouldn’t be accepted. And no wonder with those thoughts.
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Oh! is that what this forum is about, getting your opinion accepted.
 
Elbow beards said:
But, but he wants peace, by pissing off Canada, Mexico, Greenland, Panama, Europe, places in Africa that will suffer without aid and Palestine. Riling up states that have dangerous terrorist organisations in them.
So about three quarters of the world now hate the US. Well done you ****.
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I don`t know about making America great again, he`s trying his best to destroy America from the inside and turn them into a pariah state. I feel sorry for decent Americans who despise the Orange ****. I also hope Dax 777 and the rest of the nobs get there comeuppance and suffer financial meltdown. It`s the very least they deserve.
 
M18CTID said:
Yep. Europe needs to go it alone now as a Trump-led America can't be trusted. If at some point in the future when the orange-faced **** and his cronies have fucked off out of the White House (sooner rather than later hopefully) then we can leave the door open for them to get back on board, but as of now we need to assume that they're no longer an ally.
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In which case why doesn’t Europe do the mineral deal with Ukraine instead ?
 
BlueHammer85 said:
In which case why doesn’t Europe do the mineral deal with Ukraine instead ?
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Because that’s a sham, Obama looked at the same deal years ago apparently and it isn’t viable cost wise, a lot of the minerals are actually in the Russian controlled area now as well. Trump is doing Putins bidding, he wants to give Ukraine to Putin on a plate it’s so obvious.
 
Blue Maverick said:
Because that’s a sham, Obama looked at the same deal years ago apparently and it isn’t viable cost wise, a lot of the minerals are actually in the Russian controlled area now as well. Trump is doing Putins bidding, he wants to give Ukraine to Putin on a plate it’s so obvious.
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In which case why doesn’t Zelenskyy just sign off the minerals then ?
 
Jimmieblue said:
Oh! is that what this forum is about, getting your opinion accepted.
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Being honest and clear about your opinions from the start usually saves all that confusion and speculation.

You can hold any opinion you like, but if you don't think you're going to be challenged on them, regardless on which stance you take, i'm afraid you're rather naive about what happens on discussion forums.
 
Elbow beards said:
But, but he wants peace, by pissing off Canada, Mexico, Greenland, Panama, Europe, places in Africa that will suffer without aid and Palestine. Riling up states that have dangerous terrorist organisations in them.
So about three quarters of the world now hate the US. Well done you ****.
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Completely fucking forgot about Greenland - Jesus H Christ..........
 
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