North Stand Construction Discussion

[supercity88]

They probably just got their left and right confused and ended up putting the wrong one on. It will fit the other side no problem.

 

[tailspin747]

The way the build has happened so far, there’s a good chance the first person to pass the stadium today will send a pic with it fully installed. [emoji23]

 

[Alty_Blue]

I still think given the complexity of the cap and the 4 pillars of the quadpod that they would have practised attaching it before they did it for real so high up on the air

 

[Coatigan]

The way the build has happened so far, there’s a good chance the first person to pass the stadium today will send a pic with it fully installed. [emoji23]

Ha I was thinking that this morning, how long before we just see it on.

 

[Coatigan]

I still think given the complexity of the cap and the 4 pillars of the quadpod that they would have practiced attaching it before they did it for real so high up on the air

They may well have. In the factory for example. They could have had it built with segments of the 4 tops of piers attached and then removed them before transporting.

Think once on site, that becomes a lot more difficult.

 

[petrusha]

Just a side point, not really that significant to your argument.

Where you have highlighted in yellow, there is another hotel planned there longer term (no.2 below).

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I would think the club will have actively Wanted a hotel attached to the stand, rather than not really knowing where else to put it. I get your views on the merits or issues with that though.

It's been rumoured for many years (and I mean many - around 15, I think) that there'd eventually be two hotels on the site, but I didn't know it was now confirmed. Anyway, am glad there's something definite about the developments that are to follow.

 

[shnaghaicityfish]

I think they did. And it also sometimes screeches when the wind blows. But it's still a stunning building. Those are design problems but they don't alter its look.

The “solution” has altered its look, the bottom half looks really tatty with the stitch plates holding the windows in. It’s a matter of opinion of course but personally I think the look of apartment floors is ruined by everyone’s junk being visible on the enclosed balconies. Hopefully “The Medlock” will be better built and the windows opaque from outside!

 

[Coatigan]

I think if the cap was going to be a huge problem one of the workers would have been taking photos and video so they could show the engineer's

I'll come back to this, as it does somewhat tie in with the point I was making earlier.

If a guy overseeing it on site up there, feels something is unsafe to do or attempt, he damn sure is calling it off on the spot and trying again another day, no ifs or buts or questions asked, programme and cost be damned.

The fact they loosely lined it up, but never got even close to trying to fit it, while also never really seeming to have the piece restrained or under control to me suggests one of 4 things.

- it is either SO far out, that it is that obvious without getting it any closer. Which would be a big and costly fuck-up.
- it may be fine or nearly fine, but it just didn't feel safe to persevere or try.
- it was never planned to go in that day, and the whole thing was a bit of a practice run to see how it lifts and moves at that height in the air, so they can plan how to handle it for real.
- the dimensions and connections are fine, but getting them to fit in a sequence due to varying angles and convergences has not really been made clear or thought right the way through.

Of those, the first one seems the least likely tbh, and if that was the case, there would have been checking measurements and photos being taken as you point out.

 

[Coatigan]

I think they did. And it also sometimes screeches when the wind blows. But it's still a stunning building. Those are design problems but they don't alter its look.

I have mentioned that a number of times, that this one has real potential to whistle, both across the sails and through those 20mm ish gaps to the mullions.

But we know from the photos seen previously that they did have a (smaller scale model) over in the wind lab down south. Which from being in a few times I know also does whistling tests, so I would hope/assume they did that as well when there.

 

[foggy1974]

They may well have. In the factory for example. They could have had it built with segments of the 4 tops of piers attached and then removed them before transporting.

Think once on site, that becomes a lot more difficult.

For the size of it, I'm not sure that's possible & I would assume they would use 3d computer programming & a scaled model

 

[Norman kneejerk]

I always welcome seeing and discussing examples. We could find/show countless examples of both.

Which then just shows that it isn't 'always' the case, as if that is a rule of some sort.

Just a side point, not really that significant to your argument.

Where you have highlighted in yellow, there is another hotel planned there longer term (no.2 below).

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I would think the club will have actively Wanted a hotel attached to the stand, rather than not really knowing where else to put it. I get your views on the merits or issues with that though.

Thanks for info. Do we know what items 3 and 4 represent on the plan.

 

[Coatigan]

For the size of it, I'm not sure that's possible & I would assume they would use 3d computer programming & a scaled model

On site, and lifting about, yeah I agree.

Making a replica of segments of the 4 pier connections while making the piece in the factory though, is quite possible.

Whether they would have felt the need to is another thing, given they would have probably simulated it virtually in 3d multiple times and ways.

It is also possible the whole excersise yesterday was in itself, the 'practice' run.

 

[Centurions]

It's been rumoured for many years (and I mean many - around 15, I think) that there'd eventually be two hotels on the site, but I didn't know it was now confirmed. Anyway, am glad there's something definite about the developments that are to follow.

Has it actually been confirmed? I thought we were more in "probable" rather than "possible" territory now, did I miss something?

 

[Coatigan]

Thanks for info. Do we know what items 3 and 4 represent on the plan.

I did find and post it some time back, possibly on the collar thread. Would need to take time to look up again.

They were fairly vague and non-committal terms tbh. Think 4 was something like 'media city' and 3 was 'leisure hub' or something along those lines, from my loose recollection.

 

[Centurions]

I did find and post it some time back, possibly on the collar thread. Would need to take time to look up again.

They were faitly vague and non-committal terms tbh. Think 4 was something like 'media city' and 3 was 'leisure hub' or something along those lines, from my loose recollection.

Didn't Lex keep insisting that one of those was a multi-story carpark or was that a different building?

 

[Coatigan]

Didn't Lex keep insisting that one of those was a multi-story carpark or was that a different building?

Honestly, don't know.

I think he suggested we Should have one, and gave examples elsewhere, but I could also totally be misremembering. So don't take anything I say on it as anything other than it being a loose recollection of a point in time.

Also nothing to say those are fixed or current, they themselves could be a snapshot at a point in time and may have moved on since.

 

[DiscoSteve]

I have mentioned that a number of times, that this one has real potential to whistle, both across the sails and through those 20mm ish gaps to the mullions.

But we know from the photos seen previously that they did have a (smaller scale model) over in the wind lab down south. Which from being in a few times I know also does whistling tests, so I would hope/assume they did that as well when there.

Roger Whittaker sadly no longer with us so he wont be able to help 'with the whistling test'

 

[jrb]

Surely the 4 legs will have to be at the correct angles before the cap can be fitted. Even if a leg or the legs are slightly out, the cap won't fit into place.

 

[Centurions]

Surely the 4 legs will have to be at the correct angles before the cap can be fitted. Even if a leg or the legs are slightly out, the cap won't fit into place.

Probably but I can't see how the damned thing fits regardless given everything is angled. Are the two front pads physically connected in some way? They look like flat circular pads to me.

 

[petrusha]

Has it actually been confirmed? I thought we were more in "probable" rather than "possible" territory now, did I miss something?

See the post from Coatigan that I quoted and his subsequent reply, which I'm quoting below.

I did find and post it some time back, possibly on the collar thread. Would need to take time to look up again.

They were faitly vague and non-committal terms tbh. Think 4 was something like 'media city' and 3 was 'leisure hub' or something along those lines, from my loose recollection.

If you're able to track it down when you have time, that would be great. If you don't have time or can't find it, don't worry, though.

FWIW, I was banging on as far back as 2014 on here about there being plans for an arena north of the Collar Site. What my two now-defunct* sources were saying at the time for the rest of the developments was an exhibition/convention centre, a second hotel and high-end leisure/retail development.

For the first of those things, I believe there's a gap in the market to operate in addition to Manchester Central. The other things are natural additions for a major sports/leisure/entertainment venue.

* - They aren't defunct as people, thankfully. Both are very much still with us, just no longer in a position to receive information about events within MCFC.