wearethesouthstand
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1894 are about to survey members & connections on social media to be able to feed the results directly into the club & to share with other City supporters groups.
Club said 37k season tickets but they class flexi gold as season card so probably 36250 out of 50400 available for home fans (3k aways) is currently 72%. Before the time the capacity in the stadium was reduced for the supersize advertising boards there were 40k season tickets out of 52k available for home fans 77% season tickets so we see a direction in travel. We also know now currently 5,500 of the remaining extra seats go to corporate with 550 going to 3rd Party sites (8 of them).
New north stand will take capacity to 62k (59k for home fans). With drop and non renewals there is likely to be 35k season ticket holders if no new ones are released by 2026. This would mean only 59% of the home end would be season ticket a huge drop from 77% in such a short time. It would only take a couple more years to perhaps see a majority of home fans having to pay exorbitant match day prices because season tickets weren’t available. Which affects the atmosphere, the identity and the culture in the stadium and means the generational links get broken because people cannot bring their families any more and stop going completely.
The new North Stand increases capacity by 8,000 and that’s why we feel it is imperative that new full season cards are made available at the time of stadium expansion. The new stand could be open for December or January so there is an opportunity to provide half year season cards to commence then. By not making more season cards available the dynamics, the acoustics and even the heart and soul of the stadium changes and ultimately will be a negative match day experience no matter what is happening on the pitch.
Manchester is also a battle for the next generation of supporters. In the 80s and 90s we lost support to United on account of the team under performing. There are huge levels of support for Manchester City amongst under 18s and under 25s. How many of them can realistically afford to get into the stadium to see the team they identify with. It’s important the club looks worldwide but also close to its’ own doorstep where fans have more chance of making a midweek game against drab opposition and therefore more chance of filling the ground. The club should not spurn the opportunity to maximise interaction with a fan base that wants to attend and to ensure these fans carry the name of Manchester City forward into the next generation.
We said publicly in the autumn we would like to see full season cards being made available as the stadium increases capacity. If there are 8,000 new places then 5,600 new season tickets maintains the current 70% ratio within the stadium and allows for stability in the stadium and the chance to regenerate the atmosphere at both ends. We would like the club to offer a choice between season card and flexi gold not just offer flexi gold as the one option - and if everyone who is offered the choice takes season card over flexi gold then the club should accept that. The club should also reduce or remove the extra charges with flexi gold.
We would like to see a limit now put on the amount of tickets going to 3rd party sites and corporate tickets. These tickets could literally end up in the hands of anyone. We also believe the club should speak to all main elected fan groups as soon as possible and also reach out to others who have a lot of feedback coming into them, ie prominent podcasts and a panel representing forums such as Bluemoon where there is constant debate and interest on this. We have asked months ago for clarity on prices, not just for this season but for the next few seasons.
There has been record profits and money to play players and agents eye watering fees. Asking fans to chip in extra here
and there with stealth rises we believe to be unfair, the club is not reliant on that extra money but the fans are. We believe the club really need to listen to the fans on this one because many are contemplating whether to renew their season tickets or walk away. We have seen empty seats at matches this season. That can be down to pricing but perhaps also down to the match day experience offered. We believe fans want a football stadium with identity not an “alton towers / disneyland experience” where the future business model is based around extracting as much as possible from a stadium full of occasional visitors.
In addition many fans don’t which to sell their tickets back to the club where ultimately the tickets ends up in the hands of a non-City fan. They prefer to use ticket and transfer or to sell at face value to fellow City fans on social media. We believe the club treats these sites unfairly - the club themselves sell to 3rd party sites and by clamping down on face value sites some fans may end up using 3rd party sites as well. We believe it’s unfair to blame fans here, the club sets the tone, sets the precedent and is visibly supporting 3rd party sites.
We feel it is absolutely vital the club protects the current status quo. 14 game attendance criteria on season tickets and also ability to transfer to friends and family to stay in place. No season ticket holder can say with confidence at the start of the season how many games they will actually end up attending because kick off times are so varied across many days. These dates and times are also moved at very short notice. We must stop passing the blame onto fans here.
thefsa.org.uk
The FSA think that ST's account for 75% of tickets in the premier league. We aren't being unreasonable asking for 70% of the increased capacity being made available for full season ticket.
“Footbal tourism” is rife at clubs like Dortmund, Celtic, Galatasaray, St Pauli etc because people want to go and experience the atmosphere in person. The club could tap into that market if they allowed us to create the atmosphere we want to create. The first steps is listening to the fans on this one.
We wish the club to allow us the fans all around the stadium to create a motivational atmosphere for the players, we win more games, the more games we win, the more trophies we win, the more revenue we generate.
Please keep an eye on our social media shortly for more on our survey.
Club said 37k season tickets but they class flexi gold as season card so probably 36250 out of 50400 available for home fans (3k aways) is currently 72%. Before the time the capacity in the stadium was reduced for the supersize advertising boards there were 40k season tickets out of 52k available for home fans 77% season tickets so we see a direction in travel. We also know now currently 5,500 of the remaining extra seats go to corporate with 550 going to 3rd Party sites (8 of them).
New north stand will take capacity to 62k (59k for home fans). With drop and non renewals there is likely to be 35k season ticket holders if no new ones are released by 2026. This would mean only 59% of the home end would be season ticket a huge drop from 77% in such a short time. It would only take a couple more years to perhaps see a majority of home fans having to pay exorbitant match day prices because season tickets weren’t available. Which affects the atmosphere, the identity and the culture in the stadium and means the generational links get broken because people cannot bring their families any more and stop going completely.
The new North Stand increases capacity by 8,000 and that’s why we feel it is imperative that new full season cards are made available at the time of stadium expansion. The new stand could be open for December or January so there is an opportunity to provide half year season cards to commence then. By not making more season cards available the dynamics, the acoustics and even the heart and soul of the stadium changes and ultimately will be a negative match day experience no matter what is happening on the pitch.
Manchester is also a battle for the next generation of supporters. In the 80s and 90s we lost support to United on account of the team under performing. There are huge levels of support for Manchester City amongst under 18s and under 25s. How many of them can realistically afford to get into the stadium to see the team they identify with. It’s important the club looks worldwide but also close to its’ own doorstep where fans have more chance of making a midweek game against drab opposition and therefore more chance of filling the ground. The club should not spurn the opportunity to maximise interaction with a fan base that wants to attend and to ensure these fans carry the name of Manchester City forward into the next generation.
We said publicly in the autumn we would like to see full season cards being made available as the stadium increases capacity. If there are 8,000 new places then 5,600 new season tickets maintains the current 70% ratio within the stadium and allows for stability in the stadium and the chance to regenerate the atmosphere at both ends. We would like the club to offer a choice between season card and flexi gold not just offer flexi gold as the one option - and if everyone who is offered the choice takes season card over flexi gold then the club should accept that. The club should also reduce or remove the extra charges with flexi gold.
We would like to see a limit now put on the amount of tickets going to 3rd party sites and corporate tickets. These tickets could literally end up in the hands of anyone. We also believe the club should speak to all main elected fan groups as soon as possible and also reach out to others who have a lot of feedback coming into them, ie prominent podcasts and a panel representing forums such as Bluemoon where there is constant debate and interest on this. We have asked months ago for clarity on prices, not just for this season but for the next few seasons.
There has been record profits and money to play players and agents eye watering fees. Asking fans to chip in extra here
and there with stealth rises we believe to be unfair, the club is not reliant on that extra money but the fans are. We believe the club really need to listen to the fans on this one because many are contemplating whether to renew their season tickets or walk away. We have seen empty seats at matches this season. That can be down to pricing but perhaps also down to the match day experience offered. We believe fans want a football stadium with identity not an “alton towers / disneyland experience” where the future business model is based around extracting as much as possible from a stadium full of occasional visitors.
In addition many fans don’t which to sell their tickets back to the club where ultimately the tickets ends up in the hands of a non-City fan. They prefer to use ticket and transfer or to sell at face value to fellow City fans on social media. We believe the club treats these sites unfairly - the club themselves sell to 3rd party sites and by clamping down on face value sites some fans may end up using 3rd party sites as well. We believe it’s unfair to blame fans here, the club sets the tone, sets the precedent and is visibly supporting 3rd party sites.
We feel it is absolutely vital the club protects the current status quo. 14 game attendance criteria on season tickets and also ability to transfer to friends and family to stay in place. No season ticket holder can say with confidence at the start of the season how many games they will actually end up attending because kick off times are so varied across many days. These dates and times are also moved at very short notice. We must stop passing the blame onto fans here.
Fans press Premier League on ticket prices - Football Supporters' Association
The work of FSA-member groups on our #StopExploitingLoyalty campaign has put the issue of top-flight ticket pricing firmly in the media spotlight – and it isn’t going away.
The FSA think that ST's account for 75% of tickets in the premier league. We aren't being unreasonable asking for 70% of the increased capacity being made available for full season ticket.
“Footbal tourism” is rife at clubs like Dortmund, Celtic, Galatasaray, St Pauli etc because people want to go and experience the atmosphere in person. The club could tap into that market if they allowed us to create the atmosphere we want to create. The first steps is listening to the fans on this one.
We wish the club to allow us the fans all around the stadium to create a motivational atmosphere for the players, we win more games, the more games we win, the more trophies we win, the more revenue we generate.
Please keep an eye on our social media shortly for more on our survey.
