President Trump

Did the USA of A ever win the war on drugs or the war on terrorism? Actual real things.
They might win the war on woke. Because they can just say they have. Because how the fuck do you quantify that? Imaginary enemies FFS.
 
west didsblue said:
I guess when woke is eliminated there’ll be no more Department of Transportation or Transatlantic flights.
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There will be not much of anything except policies based on nonsensical Maga thinking. The prospect is of an isolated and powerless US, which is no good to any of us.
 
oldius said:
Not in the face of his behaviour, no.
Imagine if 8 billion people stop buying US brands because of his behaviour and rhetoric.
I'd be on the side of the 8 billion.
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Of course, but there’s a reason all countries are still desperate to keep ties with America.
 
At the top level, the UK needs to keep Trump onside.

It sucks and it would be great to see our leaders tell the orange idiot to fuck off. But it would be very little gain (apart from a good laugh) for a whole lot of pain.
 
west didsblue said:
Border encounters were already well down on the previous year, and the bill to improve things further was blocked by the Republicans so that it would still be an election issue.

Whilst it’s true that Trump has reduced it further, it’s an odd way to do it. He’s made the US look like an authoritarian hellhole to outsiders which presumably has acted as a deterrent. The problem is that everyone in the US is left living in an authoritarian hellhole. Still, it’s what the majority wanted.
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The bill was blocked by Republicans because it became quite clear that Trump could win the presidency. Trump told Republicans to vote the bill down so they did. Nobody wants to reject that and sit on a bipartisan bill with the Democrats. It would be like rejecting your leader in favour of something dreamt up by the opposition.

The Democrats held congress until the mid-terms so why didn't they do something before when encounters were peaking? Surely 100,000 people marching on a border on a monthly basis is an emergency/invasion? A bipartisan bill only became required because they lost the house and the traction was moving towards where they had no choice.

It is authoritarian but I think that people will accept that because they're sick of waiting. Do you think that the socialists on here are waiting for a soft left government to get in which takes the opinion of the right into consideration? Not a chance, that's why they hate Labour today, they'd love an authoritarian dictator who banishes the right completely.

We've just got Labour in power here but are we seeing a left revolution? No, they're barely different to the Tories. Nobody ever imagined that Labour would get in and talk austerity, take money from pensioners, pinch from the foreign aid budget and try to be strong on immigration. The appeasement is unprecedented but it's clearly necessary.

I think the main problem for people is not the fact that he's done it, it's because they ideologically disagree with it and unfortunately that is a minority opinion but no minority can win an election. Today arguing for a pro-immigration, pro-asylum policy base is the equivalent to standing in front of a tsunami and claiming that you won't drown.
 
inbetween said:
The bill was blocked by Republicans because it became quite clear that Trump could win the presidency. Trump told Republicans to vote the bill down so they did. Nobody wants to reject that and sit on a bipartisan bill with the Democrats. It would be like rejecting your leader in favour of something dreamt up by the opposition.
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They can't care too much about border crossings if they'll vote down a bitpartisan bill designed to limit crossings just so Trump doesn't get upset with them.

For me, you vote with your conscience. If you think the bill is bad, vote against it. If you think the bill is good, vote for it.

If you think the bill is good but you vote against it to appease an oompah oompah you're a coward, and not worthy of holding a position of responsibility. This will be an issue for 99% of Republicans that have tied themselves to Trump no matter what.
 
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