President Trump

BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
Tesla is fucked.

Too bad because they make - arguably so - the best electric vehicle.
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I personally think they are ugly and bland inside.
The main plus point was the charging network. That is changing rapidly now more stations are being built by others.

Other EV's have also caught up with some now surpassing and are cheaper.
He snoozed, he loosed!
 
roman totale said:
I can’t be bothered to look dates up, but he’s being saying driverless taxis are Tesla’s next big thing for probably close to 10 years now. He’s been beaten to market anyway. Other people are already doing it.
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The ones he rolled out weeks ago had spray painted tyres to make the wheel look bigger. Close up you could see they were hand sprayed. Crude wheel trims as well. It was done to make them look nearer being ready. All part of the grift etc.
 
Dax777 said:
Thars Fair. You shouldn't trust any politician. Always question. Always verify. Always stick to the facts.
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Go back as far as George W Bush at the imminent breakup of the USSR, pleading with Ukraine not to cede from the Soviet Union. Saying something along the lines that it would be suicidal nationalism.
America has always put the relationship with Russia well ahead of any of the satellite states. It’s not new.

I just don’t see Trump treating Ukraine the same as Russia in this whole charade.

Trump’s envoy to Moscow was made wait 8 hours for Putin, was given a load of already known deal breaking demands and wasn’t entertained in front of the cameras.
Compare that to Trump’s treatment of Zelenskyy at the Oval Office.

Let’s see what Trump comes back with and who he will ask to compromise.
 
flook said:
because sometimes people need a shove in the right direction. He's coming around, disagrees with 4/10 of the original discussion points
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I haven't nor will I ever probably be coming around to your position.

I engage to show those here with a bit of common sense that there is a legitimate other side.

Sometimes we will agree and sometimes we won't. The question is why are we in disagreement?

That's what i enjoy examining. Sometimes, we are just philosophically opposed and that's that. Nothing one can do about that. Other times, we are working from different sets of incomplete facts or making claims based on assumptions that are not factually or wholly true. So i challenge those and see if we can come to see what the other is seeing. Sometimes it works, other times it doesn't. But no matter what happens in these discussions, i expect everyone to leave still believing what they believe.

mancity2012_eamo said:
Go back as far as George W Bush at the imminent breakup of the USSR, pleading with Ukraine not to cede from the Soviet Union. Saying something along the lines that it would be suicidal nationalism.
America has always put the relationship with Russia well ahead of any of the satellite states. It’s not new.

I just don’t see Trump treating Ukraine the same as Russia in this whole charade.
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Again, he cant treat them alike. Russia is an adversary. Ukraine isn't.
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mancity2012_eamo said:
Trump’s envoy to Moscow was made wait 8 hours for Putin, was given a load of already known deal breaking demands and wasn’t entertained in front of the cameras.
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The Ukrainian weren't entertained in front of a camera either. The camera is for after the negotiations are over. Which again, supports my prior point made before.


mancity2012_eamo said:
Compare that to Trump’s treatment of Zelenskyy at the Oval Office.
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Trump treated Zelensky better than i would have.
mancity2012_eamo said:
Let’s see what Trump comes back with and who he will ask to compromise.
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He is going to ask both party to compromise. He already asked Russia to compromise hence why Putin is now complaining and saying he needs to talk to President Trump about some issues he has.

But like I said, this is what attempting to stop a war looks like.
 
Dax777 said:
I haven't nor will I ever probably be coming around to your position.

I engage to show those here with a bit of common sense that there is a legitimate other side.

Sometimes we will agree and sometimes we won't. The question is why are we in disagreement?

That's what i enjoy examining. Sometimes, we are just philosophically opposed and that's that. Nothing one can do about that. Other times, we are working from different sets of incomplete facts or making claims based on assumptions that are not factually or wholly true. So i challenge those and see if we can come to see what the other is seeing. Sometimes it works, other times it doesn't. But no matter what happens in these discussions, i expect everyone to leave still believing what they believe.


Again, he cant treat them alike. Russia is an adversary. Ukraine isn't.
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The Ukrainian weren't entertained in front of a camera either. The camera is for after the negotiations are over. Which again, supports my prior point made before.




Trump treated Zelensky better than i would have.

He is going to ask both party to compromise. He already asked Russia to compromise hence why Putin is now complaining and saying he needs to talk to President Trump about some issues he has.

But like I said, this is what attempting to stop a war looks like.
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You are saying this is what he will do.
I’m saying wait and see what he’ll do.
You trust that this is how you do deals.
I’m saying on evidence, I don’t trust Trump to do a deal.

I’m not hoping I’m right, just for being right’s sake. I would quite happily be wrong.
 
mancity2012_eamo said:
You are saying this is what he will do.
I’m saying wait and see what he’ll do.
You trust that this is how you do deals.
I’m saying on evidence, I don’t trust Trump to do a deal.

I’m not hoping I’m right, just for being right’s sake. I would quite happily be wrong.
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No, im stating facts based on what we already know
Russia is an Adversary, Ukraine isn't. That's why they are not treated the same.

Russia balking at U.S. demands and complaining about the terms ( this we know from their public comments) shows the US trying to get them to compromise.

What he is trying to do is end a war. But like you said, lets wait and see.
 
Dax777 said:
No, im stating facts based on what we already know
Russia is an Adversary, Ukraine isn't. That's why they are not treated the same.

Russia balking at U.S. demands and complaining about the terms ( this we know from their public comments) shows the US trying to get them to compromise.

What he is trying to do is end a war. But like you said, lets wait and see.
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Really? For nigh on two years, Trump, Musk, Vance and Republicans have been saying Ukraine are the bad guys not Russia. Now Russia are the adversary and not Ukraine? Which makes Ukraine an ally. So, the US is now all in on supplying Ukraine with the means to defend themselves, providing security guarantees along with the Europeans and pressuring Russia to cease the conflict they started.

Excellent news.
 
Thing with Trump (and Musk) its all based on inherited money - neither was a welder of shelf stacker who done good they just bought shit and for the most part gave control to CFO's and CEO's to run shit for them ( not always successfully in Trump's case ) - the debacle we see now is because two rich loonies who think they are the dog's when it comes to business let loose on an entire economy - the results are predictable.
 
BobKowalski said:
Perhaps. But they had all this babbling nonsense first time round and happily voted for it again, which proves there is ‘nowt so stupid as folk’ as my Gran used to say.
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Trump has raised the intensity so it becomes a game show, it’s basically ‘Celebrity, Let Me Eat More of Musk’s Bollocks’.

There’s a reason it’s only on for a couple of weeks a year.
 
Dax777 said:
No, im stating facts based on what we already know
Russia is an Adversary, Ukraine isn't. That's why they are not treated the same.

Russia balking at U.S. demands and complaining about the terms ( this we know from their public comments) shows the US trying to get them to compromise.

What he is trying to do is end a war. But like you said, lets wait and see.
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LOL facts?

How's this for a fact..

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