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[stonerblue]

Fair enough I agree but what you describe is a two way street.

In all sincerity are you able to give your high level idealistic overview about what the solution is for people who come here in boats. It helps me to understand your issue, so that I and others might get behind it or constructively oppose it.

In 2024 there were 37,000 people and in 2022 there were 46,000 people. What should we do with there people. On average that is over 100 people per day constant.

And around 600,000 uk citizens die each year.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

thanks..... so you have no solution for the hundred that will pitch up today and tomorrow?

It is great to say process them before they make that journey, but surely that is available to them, just go to the British Embassy in the first country that has one and make your case? But they don't do this.

How will rejoining the EU or recreating the Dublin make any difference?

The original question was and still is.... what should we do with the 100 that are turning up daily, what should our stance be.... bearing in mind we are on the bones of our arses and have severe financial issues to be able to fund anything.

The solution is to process them as quickly and as humanely as possible.

If you want the boat crossings to stop, please see my earlier post.

 

[BigJoe#1]

And around 600,000 uk citizens die each year.

Seriously.... WTF has that got to do with the subject being discussed... there are around a similar number of births. Has nothing to do with people landing on our shores illegally.

 

[BigJoe#1]

The solution is to process them as quickly and as humanely as possible.

If you want the boat crossings to stop, please see my earlier post.

How do we process them? What is the policy? Put them up in luxury hotels? Put them up in basic accommodation? Bear in mind we have accommodation problems... what should the Labour policy be here?

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

How do we process them? What is the policy? Put them up in luxury hotels? Put them up in basic accommodation? Bear in mind we have accommodation problems... what should the Labour policy be here?

The solution is to process them as quickly and as humanely as possible.

If you want the boat crossings to stop, please see my earlier post.

This is it. Literally. Everything else is just people grandstanding.

We employ enough asylum decision makers to process the claims swiftly so that the need for accommodation is lessened and is for less time.

This whole debate has been done to death, with the same questions asked repeatedly.

The solution is above, however many times the questions are asked.

 

[BigJoe#1]

This is it. Literally. Everything else is just people grandstanding.

We employ enough asylum decision makers to process the claims swiftly so that the need for accommodation is lessened and is for less time.

This whole debate has been done to death, with the same questions asked repeatedly.

The solution is above, however many times the questions are asked.

So why aren't we doing what you suggest? and in the meantime where do we accommodate these people? Do we process asylum claims or, given they have landed illegally do we not process any asylum claims?

Come on.... stop hiding behind bureaucracy... deal with the issue in hand.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

So why aren't we doing what you suggest? and in the meantime where do we accommodate these people? Do we process asylum claims or, given they have landed illegally do we not process any asylum claims?

Come on.... stop hiding behind bureaucracy... deal with the issue in hand.

Why? Because politicians are shouted at to be as harsh on these people as possible and any sign of humaneness towards them brings the social media bots out in force and they get endless abuse.

The solution is there. Until the country is ready to have a grown up conversation about it and talk about compromise, the boats will continue and gums will be flapped on social media.

I’m not being baited into the same debate with you. Your questions have been answered before. You don’t like those answers, but that’s not really my problem.

 

[BigJoe#1]

Why? Because politicians are shouted at to be as harsh on these people as possible and any sign of humaneness towards them brings the social media bots out in force and they get endless abuse.

The solution is there. Until the country is ready to have a grown up conversation about it and talk about compromise, the boats will continue and gums will be flapped on social media.

I’m not being baited into the same debate with you. Your questions have been answered before. You don’t like those answers, but that’s not really my problem.

Nah... you dont have a clue do you in your Labour luxury world... get real you really do need to wake up and smell the coffee.

The opening gambit here is to tell people do not bother crossing because under no circumstances will you ever be considered for asylum through this means of accessing the country. Until we start managing the process instead of leaving the door wide open we don't stand any chance of resolving the issue - still, the Conservatives were equally as impotent as Labour - We are fucked!

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Nah... you dont have a clue do you in your Labour luxury world... get real you really do need to wake up and smell the coffee.

The opening gambit here is to tell people do not bother crossing because under no circumstances will you ever be considered for asylum through this means of accessing the country. Until we start managing the process instead of leaving the door wide open we don't stand any chance of resolving the issue - still, the Conservatives were equally as impotent as Labour - We are fucked!

And this highlights my point about the need to be outraged and call everything shit, rather than want a solution.

What you want to happen cannot within international law. If you want that changing and the eroding of human rights, then you need to campaign for it.

Be very careful what you wish for though as once Pandora’s box is opened and rights start eroding, who knows what will be left at the end.

Godspeed in whatever quest you wish to embark on. I’ll stick to being alright with the pretty insignificant number of people being processed as quickly and humanely as possible and hope that a system appears where their need to risk their lives is no longer required.

 

[BigJoe#1]

And this highlights my point about the need to be outraged and call everything shit, rather than want a solution.

What you want to happen cannot within international law. If you want that changing and the eroding of human rights, then you need to campaign for it.

Be very careful what you wish for though as once Pandora’s box is opened and rights start eroding, who knows what will be left at the end.

Godspeed in whatever quest you wish to embark on. I’ll stick to being alright with the pretty insignificant number of people being processed as quickly and humanely as possible and hope that a system appears where their need to risk their lives is no longer required.

All well and good but you don't have a solution... more like a wish list.

Regardless of anything we always need rules, boundaries and guidelines in life.

I stand by the proposition that if you travel illegally to the United Kingdom you will NEVER be considered for asylum. There are many ways you can apply for asylum, take advantage of them. For as long as we accept that the people who travel illegally will be accepted we will continue to have an extremely expensive, never to be resolved problem.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

All well and good but you don't have a solution... more like a wish list.

Regardless of anything we need rules and guidelines in life.

I stand by the proposition that if you travel illegally to the United Kingdom you will NEVER be considered for asylum. There are many ways you can apply for asylum, take advantage of them. For as long as we accept the people who travel illegally will be accepted we will continue to have an extremely expensive, never to be resolved problem.

And round we go.

The end.

 

[BigJoe#1]

And round we go.

The end.

Sadly, this is far far from the end.

We need practical realistic solutions not fantasy world wish lists.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Sadly, this is far far from the end.

We need practical realistic solutions not fantasy world wish lists.

Agreed. Until people are ready to have the adult conversation about it, the rage baiters will froth up the same nonsense without any workable solution.

Hence it’s pointless debating with them, as has been shown here.

Investment in infrastructure is a far bigger issue than a few thousand people crossing on dinghies, but hey, I don’t create the headlines nor rhetoric.

 

[BigJoe#1]

Agreed. Until people are ready to have the adult conversation about it, the rage baiters will froth up the same nonsense without any workable solution.

Hence it’s pointless debating with them, as has been shown here.

Investment in infrastructure is a far bigger issue than a few thousand people crossing on dinghies, but hey, I don’t create the headlines nor rhetoric.

Lets just start with a clear detailed policy.... one step at a time eh?

How do you build an infrastructure without direction and guidance? So get in there and create headlines that will detail which direction you are choosing to head in.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Lets just start with a clear detailed policy.... one step at a time eh?

How do you build an infrastructure without direction and guidance? So get in there and create headlines that will detail which direction you are choosing to head in.

I’m done here. Look at that question lol.

Genuine lol from me.

Have a good day.

 

[BigJoe#1]

I’m done here. Look at that question lol.

Genuine lol from me.

Have a good day.

Yup.... can't provide an answer so duck out.

Have a good day mate.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Yup.... can't provide an answer so duck out.

Have a good day mate.

I don’t answer utterly ridiculous questions, sorry pal.

You won’t stop asking them until you agree with an answer and you’re relentless.

It’s futile and moot.

 

[BigJoe#1]

I don’t answer utterly ridiculous questions, sorry pal.

You won’t stop asking them until you agree with an answer and you’re relentless.

It’s futile and moot.

No, regardless of whether I agree with the answer I want to understand what the Policy is for dealing with people who illegally land on the UK shores and you cannot (unsurprisingly) provide it. Unsurprisingly because Labour don't have a policy... which is surprising.

It is hardly futile and moot... and it's this attitude of denial and sweeping issues under the carpet that will be the undoing of the Labour government. Not that that in itself is a bad thing.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

No, regardless of whether I agree with the answer I want to understand what the Policy is for dealing with people who illegally land on the UK shores and you cannot (unsurprisingly) provide it. Unsurprisingly because Labour don't have a policy... which is surprising.

It is hardly futile and moot... and it's this attitude of denial and sweeping issues under the carpet that will be the undoing of the Labour government. Not that that in itself is a bad thing.

I honestly don’t care. The debate is dead.

We’re in an era where empathy and compassion are dead, along with nuance.

Countries are going down the right wing populist route and then getting buyers’ remorse pretty quickly. We’ll be no different.

Look at your U-turn on Trump. It’d be the same with Farage here if you vote again for the Welsh Reform guy who takes bribes off Russia.

You want simple solutions to complex problems when they don’t exist. Grifters on social media shout how everything is shit and that they’d sort it out if they ever got power, without ever offering any solutions.

C’est la vie. I’ll be in the Winchester until it all blows over.

 

[BigJoe#1]

.... and Labours policy for resolving this issue is.... nowhere to be seen it depends on which way the wind is blowing.

Tune in, same channel, same time next year...

I'll have a VAT.