Middle East Conflict

BlueTG said:
What about before the hostages taken? Or did this only start 7th October 2023?
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Well we have to start somewhere don't we? Unless we want to get right back to the very beginning.

I would like to see these people who were captured on 7/10 released in a dignified way, no big ceremonies and shows, just a dignified hand over. The ratio of Palestinians to Israelis can be agreed and negotiated and if there are any non military civilian Palestinians in that number then they should definitely be included.

They cannot go back and resolve this from year dot, but they can (on both sides) going forward agree to a two state solution can't they?

If you think not then we are all resigning and accepting an all out war until one side obliterates the other, likely to be the Israeli's beating down the Palestinians until they can rise up again and start over.

As I've said, the interim peace that could be negotiated is as good a place to start as anywhere.... it might stop the Israeli war machine, and the rest of the world would be able to apply pressure without it there is absolutely no chance of peace ever breaking out and Hamas will only ever have themselves to blame for taking that decision.
 
TinFoilHat said:
UN workers being murdered along with journalists and innocent Palestinians but we cant criticise it for fear of Bibi and his extremist government going full scouse.
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It is shocking that innocent Palestinians are getting killed, no doubt about it. But whether you like it or not there are also innocent Israeli's involved here too. The have to start somewhere.
 
Blue Mist said:
Perhaps the IDF gave most of the lads the night off.
Only 14 were murdered in Gaza last night. I'm sure things will be back to normal tonight though, i mean how can you eliminate everybody if you are only murdering 14 in one night ?
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Close to 200 babies are born every day in Gaza.
Clearly the genocidal Israelis need to up their killing rate to make inroads.
 
If all the Palestinian prisoners/ hostages were released and all the Israeli hostages were released today, what would happen tomorrow?
I'm not going to suggest the answer.
But what I suspect would happen shows who is the real aggressor.
 
There are videos and images of a little girl in a red jumper with her brains blown out doing the rounds on twitter today. Looks like we're in for this again for the foreseeable. I won't post the picture but the account @DoubleDownNews has posted it on twitter with the comment:

"We are so sorry to post this.17 months on.Western world leaders decided this can continue with both their help and totally impunity".

I can't believe we are going to sit back and let this happen again. I can't understand how so many people remain silent. If people don't speak up, this is going to continue to happen to little children on a daily basis. After over a year and israel breaking the ceasefire agreement yesterday there is no getting away from this
 
BigJoe#1 said:
It is shocking that innocent Palestinians are getting killed, no doubt about it. But whether you like it or not there are also innocent Israeli's involved here too. The have to start somewhere.
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The ratio of innocent Israelis to innocent Palestinians is disproportionate.
Israeli civilians are not being beaten starved and ethnically cleansed from their land.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
Well we have to start somewhere don't we? Unless we want to get right back to the very beginning.

I would like to see these people who were captured on 7/10 released in a dignified way, no big ceremonies and shows, just a dignified hand over. The ratio of Palestinians to Israelis can be agreed and negotiated and if there are any non military civilian Palestinians in that number then they should definitely be included.

They cannot go back and resolve this from year dot, but they can (on both sides) going forward agree to a two state solution can't they?

If you think not then we are all resigning and accepting an all out war until one side obliterates the other, likely to be the Israeli's beating down the Palestinians until they can rise up again and start over.

As I've said, the interim peace that could be negotiated is as good a place to start as anywhere.... it might stop the Israeli war machine, and the rest of the world would be able to apply pressure without it there is absolutely no chance of peace ever breaking out and Hamas will only ever have themselves to blame for taking that decision.
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I'm really not sure if you're desperately optimistic or hopelessly naive or just blissfully ignorant.

Let's try my frequent question - what are the boundaries of Eretz Israel? When you've sorted that out in your head, which bits of it will be Palestinian? And how would you get rid of the Israeli settlers in those bits?
 
BigJoe#1 said:
Not supporting genocide at all, in fact the opposite. Releasing the hostages will be a massive lever for the rest of the world to use get the Israelies to stop their bombardment. Don't release the hostages and it is most likely to continue.

Are you supporting genocide by giving Israel what they consider to be a legal response to their citizens being kidnapped?

Daft question I know but only as daft as yours.
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Eh? Israel broke the genocide by violating it repeatedly then massacring hundreds of people yesterday after cutting off water, food and electricity off to them for weeks.

How can you fail to acknowledge such critical things that literally happened yesterday?
 
The Fat el Hombre said:
Eh? Israel broke the genocide by violating it repeatedly then massacring hundreds of people yesterday after cutting off water, food and electricity off to them for weeks.

How can you fail to acknowledge such critical things that literally happened yesterday?
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I am not denying anything.... ask yourself... why are the Israeli's doing this? what could stop it? the innocent young people who were kidnapped. raped and tortured on 7/10 need to be released.

I am not and would not advocate cutting off water and supplies but the people of Israel were very brutally treated and affected b 7/10. Make amends here and if Israel do not respond then they will be an international pariah, Like it or not, it's the only way to avoid further bloodshed IMO and for the rest of the world to get on side with the Palestinians.
 
Vic said:
I'm really not sure if you're desperately optimistic or hopelessly naive or just blissfully ignorant.

Let's try my frequent question - what are the boundaries of Eretz Israel? When you've sorted that out in your head, which bits of it will be Palestinian? And how would you get rid of the Israeli settlers in those bits?
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Oh okay... don't release the hostages then fine - the Palestinians are signing their own death warrants. Why were the innocent people captured in the first place on 7/10? Settle that first and then stop turning the release of the innocent hostages into a huge celebration.

Hamas have a responsibility here too.

Oh and for the purpose of this specific issue forget history and resolve this specific issue.

Maybe I am hopelessly optimistic. I'd much rather that than being suicidally stubborn.... especially when it's not my life at risk,
 
Blue Mist said:
The ratio of innocent Israelis to innocent Palestinians is disproportionate.
Israeli civilians are not being beaten starved and ethnically cleansed from their land.
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Don't disagree but if Hamas want to stop it the best way of standing any chance is as I've said.... release the hostages and then plead to the rest of the world to stop Israel from bombarding. It's an option the have.... what else can the do? Because nothing else has really worked to date has it?
 
Vic said:
I'm really not sure if you're desperately optimistic or hopelessly naive or just blissfully ignorant.

Let's try my frequent question - what are the boundaries of Eretz Israel? When you've sorted that out in your head, which bits of it will be Palestinian? And how would you get rid of the Israeli settlers in those bits?
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I'm going with hopelessly naive and blissfully ignorant.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
Don't disagree but if Hamas want to stop it the best way of standing any chance is as I've said.... release the hostages and then plead to the rest of the world to stop Israel from bombarding. It's an option the have.... what else can the do? Because nothing else has really worked to date has it?
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Nothing else has worked because the world stayed silent.
The UN intervened in Bosnia when muslims were being slaughtered why have the UN not stepped in now .
Presumably because they are afraid of the US and Israel.
The murderous actions of Israel bring shame on them. The inaction of the world brings shame on us all.
 
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