PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

slbsn said:
Delaney and Harris believe this stuff as much as Conn does. Being a City fan as a child is irrelevant and money is not the driver to their views. They really believe this stuff. It is really not that hard to believe they believe this stuff.
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You need to have good reasons to believe something is true and they are singularly lacking in the efforts of the individuals you name. Being paid does not constitute a good reason to believe something is true btw.
 
M18CTID said:
To be fair, when the Der Spiegel stuff first came out Conn was on record as saying he didn't think there was much to it but then dramatically changed his tune as time went on, to the point that he was utterly scathing of the club and doubling down even in the wake of the CAS verdict going our way.

Conn's nowhere near as thick as some other journalists when they're spouting shit about our club and as such I doubt such negativity towards us would've been purely down to his own views. In other words, I reckon he was being paid by his employers to write negative articles about us.
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So….,
A case of, these are my principles.
If you don’t like them, I’ve got others?
 
slbsn said:
Maybe. So what?

"Following orders" - deary me
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I think - albeit that I stand to be corrected - that Steve Tudor long ago confided on here that he was once told if he wanted his career to progress with a particular publication, he would need to portray City in that publication's preferred light, or something of that ilk [I could be wrong about that by the way and my apologies and withdrawal if I am] and I'm also pretty sure that one journalist briefed Prestwich Blue to the effect that his editor wanted him to eschew writing articles with a 'sensible' perspective in favour of serving up anti-City tosh for clicks.
As for David Conn, the CAS panel selection process is clearly set out and whilst City may or may not have been happy that their suggestion for the Chair was accepted by UEFA, we very clearly did not 'choose' him, and Conn must surely know that full well. On that basis it's not unreasonable to question his motive for pretending that we did.
 
johnny crossan said:
When you last picked up your mug of tea that was indeed a factual event. There is no logical reason you will ever repeat this action - i.e. it is not logically 'necessary'. Willard Van Orman Quine has a lot to answer for but unfortunately he's dead.
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I think the issue with things like that and indeee the monkey thing is the ties to our material world. Indeed the authors of such ideas want to frame it in what they would deem an average person would understand; however by choosing to do this you limit the persons understandings to those things anchored in reality and any frame works/assumptions that come with it which negates the point that wants to be originally discussed with people instead arguing that monkeys have never read it so how could they replicate it?
In my opinion the theoretical should be dealt with outside our reality entirel
 
slbsn said:
Didn't realise it was some confidential story - apologies.

The issue with this generally is that, in my view/experience, nobody is offering any City fan any money to be anti City for pay. So as I say paranoid nonsense. Taking all the media coverage far too seriously.
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I don't think anybody in the world is saying to people "come here and we'll give you money to insult your football club".

It's like QI. People might be shocked to hear this but after 20-odd seasons now, Alan Davies has probably worked out that the answer that first comes to his head is going to set off the alarms. But he says it, he understands his role in the show. It's a work.

Similarly, Roy Keane probably doesn't really hold really passionate views on whether Justin Kluivert dived or not. But its a show and he's worked out his role.

If I was invited onto a rivals podcast, I don't know, let's just say a Real Madrid one, and they all started laughing about how Madrid are the biggest and best team ever and City are small then I understand that if I wanted to be invited back for future appearances then pointing to viewing figures and revenue growths and recent results isn't going to get me that. Playing the fool, the humble but accepting fan is. Alan Colmes sat next to Sean Hannity for decades doing exactly this.

People are naturally agreeable and friendly. In a group of 10 people, where they are the 1 newly invited guest, they are going to want to make good impressions and come across well so the compulsion to correct errors and fight the corner is lessened and even more so when you have a financial stake in not doing that. So while you wont agree that Haaland is a BTEC Solanke, you might chip in that he's disappointing and focus on the negative to be part of the group. Rather than saying "hes literally the best goalscorer in the history of the PL you plebs".

You're a wealthy guy who is esteemed. TalkSport need you more than you need them so you can figuratively tell Simon Jordan thats he's a plank and its fine. You do this for fun and to educate. People who need the few quid that these shitehawks will throw at them are much more agreeable with the negativity and the outright bullshit they come out with and it turns them into the Uncle Tom's I mentioned earlier. They understand their role in the show going in, and it isn't to be a bastion of truth and knowledge.
 
slbsn said:
He's a journalist, he actually believes this, is barely a City fan and is not simply writing that for money. There is no conspiracy, he just believes it.
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Conn is an utterly wank journalist and his incredulity that football was a commercial undertaking in his sinfully tedious book sums up how pitifully poor his judgement is.

Anyone that naive simply isn’t worth listening to.
 
chiswick blue said:
Strikes me that a good annoucement time is post the international matches but before the next PL round of games (if the verdict is available). Nice gap post tonight for fall out to be absorbed
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If it doesn't come soon, some people are going to spontaneously combust in a cloud of rage and paranoia induced hysteria judging by the nonsense being posted at the moment. May not be a bad thing, actually.
 
TheThirdDeano said:
I think the issue with things like that and indeee the monkey thing is the ties to our material world. Indeed the authors of such ideas want to frame it in what they would deem an average person would understand; however by choosing to do this you limit the persons understandings to those things anchored in reality and any frame works/assumptions that come with it which negates the point that wants to be originally discussed with people instead arguing that monkeys have never read it so how could they replicate it?
In my opinion the theoretical should be dealt with outside our reality entirely.
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There are some inherent difficulties in tackling the enterprise expressed in your final opinion.
 
slbsn said:
They are entitled to have another view and to write it.
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I agree that everyone is entitled to another view but if a journalist writes something that he either knows or believes is totally fabricated then they need calling out..btw it's not a dig at you mate as I enjoy reading your input on here.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
For your own sake, never go into the media thread on here.

Any journalist that isn’t Martin Samuel is 100% anti-City and the rest of the thread is who can make the nastiest name for them.
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I’d personally lump Mullock and Jack G to some extent in with Samuel tbh.
Can’t think of anyone else though, off the top of my head. John Cross has been balanced and fair in the past.
 
CoventryBlue said:
True on results of case. But the "confidence" or nudge nudge wink winks, you don't think they're from the club?. Markmmmac said it was someone in the club, fbloke said CFG, Ahsan said "horse's mouth"

Of course people within the club are talking to people
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For the record, if you ring up City's comms department (the number is publicly available), and ask if they've been given the verdict they will say "no we haven't". It doesn't require a nudge, a wink, or anything like that. It's not a state secret. Nobody is talking out of turn. It's literally a statement of fact.
 
BillyShears said:
For the record, if you ring up City's comms department (the number is publicly available), and ask if they've been given the verdict they will say "no we haven't". It doesn't require a nudge, a wink, or anything like that. It's not a state secret. Nobody is talking out of turn. It's literally a statement of fact.
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Yeah, but have you asked Conn whether he knows yet?
 
CoventryBlue said:
Conn, Schindler and Hattenstone have effectively or literally renounced their supporting of City and write anti-city

Mooney and Pitt-Brooke have sold City down the river for furthering their own careers

That's 5 x City fans in the media. I don't have a definitive list of all City fans but I'd hazard a guess that's a high proportion
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Mooney & Pitt-Brooke? How so?
 
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