Middle East Conflict | Netanyahu orders strikes on Gaza (p1161)

BigJoe#1 said:
Is this not too dissimilar to what happened on 7/10?.... Murders and kidnappings?

Not for one second advocating what has happened here but it looks very much like tit for tat type tactics - which again I do not support.
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Have you read up on the history of Israel/Palestinian pre Oct 7th? Genuine question? The impression I get is that you haven't got a clue.
 
The Fat el Hombre said:
It really is exhausting trying to keep up with israels daily atrocities. This is what happened yesterday:



Highly likely there will be worse days than this even this week
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Perhaps we should give it a name.
24/3 ?
I know the 7th of October was a terrible attack on jewish civilians but as I posted to @BigJoe#1 every day is a nightmare day for a Palestinian.
Sadly we will no doubt have a 25/3.

Whilst the war criminal Netanyahu is in charge the murders will not stop.
 
Blue and true said:
Have you read up on the history of Israel/Palestinian pre Oct 7th? Genuine question? The impression I get is that you haven't got a clue.
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@BigJoe#1 doesn't have a clue because he really doesn't want to know. Happy to be outraged by his own blissful ignorance. (Or just a wum of course.)
 
Tugay One Cup said:
If you find it boring then maybe try responding to one of the other replies you've received.
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My position around the violence and Israeli attacks is it needs to stop and it needs to stop now.

Neither you or I or our opinions count for very much, I do not expect that either the Israeli's or Hamas give a flying fuck about what I wrote or what you write on a football forum.

Maybe my posts which are solely focused on stopping the killings (on both sides) are too optimistic for you and that is fair enough, but for me, for there to be any chance of ending this bloodshed, the first step to stop the Israeli's doing what they're doing.

If Hamas release the hostages then global pressure can be brought upon Israel to stop. If Hamas choose not to, which is their right, then there will be inevitable consequences. Yes you can shout innocent people are getting killed - we all know that and that is barbaric and wrong.

You're all right. I cannot, unlike many on here profess, to be an expert on the historic dispute between the Palestinians and Jews. It goes too far back in History for me. All I want to see is a stop to the killings today but sadly, for as long as Hamas hold on to the hostages, something they are doing so knowing that the killings will continue. I get the fact that there is no absolute guarantee they will stop if the hostages are released but they will continue and increase if the are not.

By all means hurl insults and call names from your positions of superior knowledge and wisdom (I can take it - honest) but rather than maligning me.... what are your propositions to try and stop the killings that are happening today?
 
Postman Pep said:
" October 7th is used to justify everything but apparently nothing justifies October 7th".

Giving this another plug ...

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Thanks for posting again. It's brilliant.
And the quote you highlighted says it all.

One day of Hamas' slaughter justifies the ethnic cleansing of Gaza whilst 100 years of apartheid doesn't justify what Hamas did!
 
BigJoe#1 said:
what are your propositions to try and stop the killings that are happening today?
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This is not about Hamas, Islamic Jihad or the PLO. The ethnic cleansing of Palestine started a century ago. Palestinians self evidently have the right to defend themselves against an invading force and have done since the creation of the state of Israel on their land.

Unfortunately for them they are up against the most highly militarised country on earth.

Propositions? Well for starters I'd suggest Israel and the US start following the dictates of international law. But we all know they're not going to do that.

In fact they will carry on with the slaughter, aided by the supine western media and castrated European governments. Imagine the outcry if Spielberg was beaten and kidnapped like the Palestinian oscar winner yesterday.

Ironically this is all going to end in tears for Israel. The ultra right settlers increasingly emboldened, will in victory, turn on the more moderate institutions and people in the country, like we see happening in the US.

If this unholy alliance between armed settlers, racist politicians and religious extremists win then all out war in the middle east is likely on the cards.
 
robbieh said:
This is not about Hamas, Islamic Jihad or the PLO. The ethnic cleansing of Palestine started a century ago. Palestinians self evidently have the right to defend themselves against an invading force and have done since the creation of the state of Israel on their land.

Unfortunately for them they are up against the most highly militarised country on earth.

Propositions? Well for starters I'd suggest Israel and the US start following the dictates of international law. But we all know they're not going to do that.

In fact they will carry on with the slaughter, aided by the supine western media and castrated European governments. Imagine the outcry if Spielberg was beaten and kidnapped like the Palestinian oscar winner yesterday.

Ironically this is all going to end in tears for Israel. The ultra right settlers increasingly emboldened, will in victory, turn on the more moderate institutions and people in the country, like we see happening in the US.

If this unholy alliance between armed settlers, racist politicians and religious extremists win then all out war in the middle east is likely on the cards.
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Thanks. I cant disagree with any of what you say.

But to your point (highlighted)... where would you have the Jews reside... serious question. Not saying there is a right answer but to start discussion surely you need a proposition? As I understand it - the Palestinians would or do not accept a two state solution (not certain how true that is) and I am also not certain the that Jewish side would either, though does the existence of Gaza mean that "technically" a two state model does exist? I don't know.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
Thanks. I cant disagree with any of what you say.

But to your point (highlighted)... where would you have the Jews reside... serious question. Not saying there is a right answer but to start discussion surely you need a proposition? As I understand it - the Palestinians would or do not accept a two state solution (not certain how true that is) and I am also not certain the that Jewish side would either, though does the existence of Gaza mean that "technically" a two state model does exist? I don't know.
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A Jewish homeland was obviously a necessity after the horrors of the Holocaust. And given their ancient attachment to the area Palestine was an obvious choice. But it was handled badly and a bit like Trump's vision of Trump Gaza, the Palestinians were not consulted. It was a fait de complit that was foisted on them.
As for now, the 2 state solution is surely dead. You mention that Gaza and Israel already suggest a 2 state solution but Israel control everything that goes in and out of Gaza as well as the West Bank which also would be part of a Palestinian state.
I would like to see a one state democratic solution that was home to Arab, Jew and whoever else. In the long run I think it's the only way.
 
robbieh said:
A Jewish homeland was obviously a necessity after the horrors of the Holocaust. And given their ancient attachment to the area Palestine was an obvious choice. But it was handled badly and a bit like Trump's vision of Trump Gaza, the Palestinians were not consulted. It was a fait de complit that was foisted on them.
As for now, the 2 state solution is surely dead. You mention that Gaza and Israel already suggest a 2 state solution but Israel control everything that goes in and out of Gaza as well as the West Bank which also would be part of a Palestinian state.
I would like to see a one state democratic solution that was home to Arab, Jew and whoever else. In the long run I think it's the only way.
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Thank you. I, like many I'm sure, do like that option.

It has to be better than the continuous merciless killing that we are currently witnessing.

Once again thank you for answering the question without the need to be aggressive.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
My position around the violence and Israeli attacks is it needs to stop and it needs to stop now.

Neither you or I or our opinions count for very much, I do not expect that either the Israeli's or Hamas give a flying fuck about what I wrote or what you write on a football forum.

Maybe my posts which are solely focused on stopping the killings (on both sides) are too optimistic for you and that is fair enough, but for me, for there to be any chance of ending this bloodshed, the first step to stop the Israeli's doing what they're doing.

If Hamas release the hostages then global pressure can be brought upon Israel to stop. If Hamas choose not to, which is their right, then there will be inevitable consequences. Yes you can shout innocent people are getting killed - we all know that and that is barbaric and wrong.

You're all right. I cannot, unlike many on here profess, to be an expert on the historic dispute between the Palestinians and Jews. It goes too far back in History for me. All I want to see is a stop to the killings today but sadly, for as long as Hamas hold on to the hostages, something they are doing so knowing that the killings will continue. I get the fact that there is no absolute guarantee they will stop if the hostages are released but they will continue and increase if the are not.

By all means hurl insults and call names from your positions of superior knowledge and wisdom (I can take it - honest) but rather than maligning me.... what are your propositions to try and stop the killings that are happening today?
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So "for there to be any chance of ending this bloodshed, the first step to stop the Israeli's doing what they're doing" is for Hamas to release the hostages. That would be the second step then.

What a long-winded way just to say the same thing again. And it's obviously not an insult to say you don't know history. If you spent the time reading the history that you spend on posts here, you could be an expert - or at least not be so ignorant.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
Thanks. I cant disagree with any of what you say.

But to your point (highlighted)... where would you have the Jews reside... serious question. Not saying there is a right answer but to start discussion surely you need a proposition? As I understand it - the Palestinians would or do not accept a two state solution (not certain how true that is) and I am also not certain the that Jewish side would either, though does the existence of Gaza mean that "technically" a two state model does exist? I don't know.
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Good grief. "Where would you have the Jews reside...?" I answered that last week, "in Israel". then asked you what are the boundaries of Israel? Happy in your ignorance, you ignored that question. Too much history for you?

Oh, sorry, too aggressive?
 
Vic said:
So "for there to be any chance of ending this bloodshed, the first step to stop the Israeli's doing what they're doing" is for Hamas to release the hostages. That would be the second step then.

What a long-winded way just to say the same thing again. And it's obviously not an insult to say you don't know history. If you spent the time reading the history that you spend on posts here, you could be an expert - or at least not be so ignorant.
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Well to be honest that is an opinion, my opinion. Like I said nobody is going to take a blind bit of notice.

So what would your "next step" proposals be?

I don't claim to know vey much on the subject unlike you and the other well read posters / experts on here, but I do value your well placed criticism and feedback. My lack of understanding could easily be classified as ignorance just as yours could if your understanding was at odds with someone else's,

I would be interested to learn what you would do, again safe in the knowledge that anyone who matters will take absolutely no notice.
 
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