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[hampshireblue]

There is probably a cheaper more efficient operating system out there produced in China. Remember the wake up call the Yanks had when China rolled out a more efficient AI system that wiped large amounts of value off Nvidia. They seem to be underestimating China and what they can do in building things with all their MAGA tub thumping.

It's interesting no one has come forward with other example of products that are exclusively produced by the US.

 

[mexico1970]

It's brilliant that people can overlook their distaste regarding Chinese human rights because they are so blinded by hate for the US they'll take sides with the Devil.

Fair fucking play :)

 

[journolud]

It's brilliant that people can overlook their distaste regarding Chinese human rights because they are so blinded by hate for the US they'll take sides with the Devil.

Fair fucking play :)

Not much to choose between the two cuntries

 

[mexico1970]

Not much to choose between the two cuntries

Not even close mate, China is an abomination but everyone hates America because, well because.

 

[ganganvince]

China won't back down in these tariffs either, they'd happily oppress millions more of their citizens than give in to the US.

All the more reason Trump should have followed diplomatic protocol rather than trying to appear the big I am on tv.

 

[mexico1970]

All the more reason Trump should have followed diplomatic protocol rather than trying to appear the big I am on tv.

So Trump is to blame for China oppressing their own citizens? That's some jump there fella.

 

[Craig]

Not even close mate, China is an abomination but everyone hates America because, well because.

For pretty good reasons to be fair. The current genocide going on in the Middle East being one.

 

[RobMCFC]

Does anybody think that when Trump or his spokespeople say that have 30/50/70 countries talking to them about a deal he is lying? Is it possible that most of them are looking at other ways of getting things done now that the UK/EU's former close ally is unreliable militarily and commercially?

 

[mexico1970]

For pretty good reasons to be fair. The current genocide going on in the Middle East being one.

Ohh fuck it's not this revolving door issue again is it? Some people just hate the Americans because they like to be cool and edgy.

The Chinese however are misunderstood.

 

[SWP's back]

So Trump is to blame for China oppressing their own citizens? That's some jump there fella.

Never known you give a fuck about that before but now you’re using it to deflect from everyone rightly slagging off Trump for deciding to self inflicted a recession of the US and in all likelihood, the rest of the world.

 

[SWP's back]

Some people just hate the Americans because they like to be cool and edgy.

Trump and MAGA, not “Americans” and rightly fucking so.

 

[mexico1970]

Never known you give a fuck about that before but now you’re using it to deflect from everyone rightly slagging off Trump for deciding to self inflicted a recession of the US and in all likelihood, the rest of the world.

Just thought the point was a good one, Trump can be blamed for a lot of things, the oppression of Chinese people however is not one of them.

 

[SWP's back]

Just thought the point was a good one, Trump can be blamed for a lot of things, the oppression of Chinese people however is not one of them.

Not sure why anyone’s discussing in this thread to be honest.

 

[Craig]

Not even close mate, China is an abomination but everyone hates America because, well because.

For pretty good reasons to be fair. The current genocide going on in the Middle East being one

 

[mexico1970]

Trump and MAGA, not “Americans” and rightly fucking so.

Some people can't differentiate can they and you know that, most people just can't get their head around he won another term because the alternative was worse.

Imagine giving China a free hit because you hate Americans? Or that you believe that Trump and his cronies are anything like as bad as the Chinese?

 

[GOULDYBOBS]

Cant believe this orange clown is going to impact our lives

 

[Mr Grumpy]

Which manufacturing can be brought back in a sensible timescale? Yesterday they were talking about American workers screwing iPhones together!

US energy prices are about half what they are here. Petrol has gone up over the years but from a very low base. THe US still limits oil production to keep prices artificially high to the local market.

I've been trying to think of any product that I use that is produced in the US that is not available from elsewhere or that has a very similar replacement. The only thing I can come up with is the PC operating system (Apple or Microsoft).

I'm not so sure that the US will be able to provide cheap energy realistically. It doesn't have huge gas fields to power clean(er) power stations nor does it have neighbours that would be willing to provide it like the Russians do for Germany. Coal is dirty or expensive (Pick one).
Nuclear takes decades. Energy is probably not the chief obsticle to manufacturung though is it? H&S, regulations, worker rights, etc, etc are also huge reasons why most low-mid tech manufacturing has been exported to countries who's idea of safety is flip flops and worker rights is limiting the working age to double figures.

This will all likely end up like a packet of Irish sausages. The heavy, dirty, labour intensive shit will continue to be done in the 3rd world but the stuffing and labelling will be done in the US. The sausages avoid the tarrifs, the US avoids the trouble of human rights and enviromental care and continues to be able to get reasonably priced sausages with the added bonus of keeping the higher value jobs needed to make sausages (sales, project management, control, etc) on the mainland.

I think there is a bigger picture here regarding the effects of globalisation on the 1st world who are now exporting jobs at increasing rates to the 3rd world. It is not sustainable.

 

[mexico1970]

Cant believe this orange clown is going to impact our lives

I will ask this again, is it or is it not beans and bog roll time?

 

[Craig]

Ohh fuck it's not this revolving door issue again is it? Some people just hate the Americans because they like to be cool and edgy.

The Chinese however are misunderstood.

If you want to call mass genocide a revolving door issue then you crack on.

 

[SWP's back]

because the alternative was worse.

We wouldn’t have had the worst two consecutive trading days in history and the likelihood of a global recession, so you know, I disagree with that.