UK supreme court ruling on legal definition of a woman

Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
There's comeback from flat earthers too but it doesn't mean we disregard science. I may be wrong but my feeling is that the trans folk are largely happy to just be quietly accepted and allowed to get on with their lives. I'm not sure the 'trans organisations' actually do them much good and actually just attract unwelcome attention and hostility.
If it wasn't so sad in terms of the human collateral it would actually be quite amusing watching the false logic of gender ideology eat itself.
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1. Your first sentence rather assumes that the comeback will be on the definition of women. It is much more likely to centre on:”Ok, if we are banned from women’s spaces, where do we go?” “What is the value of our protection?”
2. I remember a time when those who advocated the decriminalisation of male homosexual acts attracted the sort of opprobrium you describe about the trans lobby. Those in favour of decriminalisation nevertheless carried on their fight for twenty years before the law moved.
Roy Jenkins would have supported the trans lobby just as he supported the decriminalisation lobby.
 
did you know that a thousand years ago all humans were called man/men regardless of gender or sex.

there was no such thing as a woman.

it's in the domesday book if you doubt me.
 
Mon Autre said:
You only asked for one. You made.a real point of asking me to name ONE. I could also point to the fact that the entire USWNT issued a statement censuring a teammate when a pile of their homophobic and transphobic tweets were unearthed last year. The NWSL also issued a statement in support of Barbra Banda after British transphobes decided to start questioning her biological sex recently.

In response to your completely insane hypothetical question? Would I care if all of City's women's team was transgender. No I wouldn't care. I'd be extremely fucking shocked though that 0.1% of the entire population had somehow swung that.

Anyway we're getting away from the point now which was you have literally no business making out that women don't want trans women anywhere near sport. Plenty of women do but you still seem to be in denial of that.

It's almost as if you don't really care what women think useless they're confirming you're own pre existing biases. That doesn't help women at all. Your efforts would be better spent wondering why it is that women are so afraid of men in the first place and what can be done about that. It's rarely the actions of a trans woman that has made them feel that way.
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Thanks for that. Just to clarify you wouldn't care if City's Women's team was made up solely by Men.

The vast, overwhelming majority of Women in professional sports probably close to 100% do not want Men in their sports but you won't acknowledge that.

No point in carrying this on, I don't believe Men have a place in Women's sports, you do, and neither of us will change our opinions.

Enjoy the rest of your evening.
 
Bluesince1979 said:
Ive always said i dont give one hoot if my kids were gay. May be difficult in some aspects but as i dont have a homophobic bone in my body it couldnt give a toss as long as they are happy.

I think if my son or daughter wanted to transmission into the opposite sex i would struggle. I wouldnt stop loving them, but i dont mind admitting id find it really hard to cope with. Surely youre are effectively ‘losing’ your son.
The person they were have gone
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Jan Morris’ children stuck with him to the end and his son delivered a eulogy on his death. They did not lose their dad. Hard, I know, but you have an example to follow.
 
Bluesince1979 said:
Ive always said i dont give one hoot if my kids were gay. May be difficult in some aspects but as i dont have a homophobic bone in my body it couldnt give a toss as long as they are happy.

I think if my son or daughter wanted to transmission into the opposite sex i would struggle. I wouldnt stop loving them, but i dont mind admitting id find it really hard to cope with. Surely youre are effectively ‘losing’ your son.
The person they were have gone
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It would be very difficult but for me they’d still be my flesh and blood.
calumdown said:
did you know that a thousand years ago all humans were called man/men regardless of gender or sex.

there was no such thing as a woman.

it's in the domesday book if you doubt me.
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Pre science, and in a society dominated by physically dominant men. So yes I believe you. But what do you think that means in this context?
 
The Stockport Iniesta said:
Thanks for that. Just to clarify you wouldn't care if City's Women's team was made up solely by Men.

The vast, overwhelming majority of Women in professional sports probably close to 100% do not want Men in their sports but you won't acknowledge that.

No point in carrying this on, I don't believe Men have a place in Women's sports, you do, and neither of us will change our opinions.

Enjoy the rest of your evening.
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"Probably close to 100%". BASED ON WHAT!?

Hold your opinions however you want but stop speaking for women and making up statistics. They're completely wrong. If you believe what you believe is right there's no need to go around simply making shit up.

I know and work around women in sport and I suspect more closely than you do.
 
Bluesince1979 said:
Ive always said i dont give one hoot if my kids were gay. May be difficult in some aspects but as i dont have a homophobic bone in my body it couldnt give a toss as long as they are happy.

I think if my son or daughter wanted to transmission into the opposite sex i would struggle. I wouldnt stop loving them, but i dont mind admitting id find it really hard to cope with. Surely youre are effectively ‘losing’ your son.
The person they were have gone
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I suppose it depends if their transmission was neutral or automatic:-)
 
Pingu the Penguin said:
It would be very difficult but for me they’d still be my flesh and blood.
Pre science, and in a society dominated by physically dominant men. So yes I believe you. But what do you think that means in this context?
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i wasn't saying it with any particular meaning within this context.
i was just saying it as a thing that used to be.
i thought it might be of historical interest, that's all.

if it's necessary for me to take sides,
which is what i think you are hinting at,
i believe everyone has the right to be exactly who they wish to be,
regardless of accident of birth,
as long as it doesn't impact negatively on anyone else.
 
KS55 said:
1. Your first sentence rather assumes that the comeback will be on the definition of women. It is much more likely to centre on:”Ok, if we are banned from women’s spaces, where do we go?” “What is the value of our protection?”
2. I remember a time when those who advocated the decriminalisation of male homosexual acts attracted the sort of opprobrium you describe about the trans lobby. Those in favour of decriminalisation nevertheless carried on their fight for twenty years before the law moved.
Roy Jenkins would have supported the trans lobby just as he supported the decriminalisation lobby.
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Fair points. I suppose only time will tell.
 
calumdown said:
i wasn't saying it with any particular meaning within this context.
i was just saying it as a thing that used to be.
i thought it might be of historical interest, that's all.

if it's necessary for me to take sides,
which is what i think you are hinting at,
i believe everyone has the right to be exactly who they wish to be,
regardless of accident of birth,
as long as it doesn't impact negatively on anyone else.
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I have exactly the same view as you so no need to take sides at all
 
youngbob said:
Still waiting for an answer to this.

If you agree with the ruling @blueinsa and @The perfect fumble then please, I really want to know, what are transgender women supposed to do now they (presumably) can't use women's toilets, can't use women's changing rooms, and can't play sports with other women?

I know, I know, "use men's toilets", etc. But do you think we become a safer, less violent nation with transgender women in men's spaces? If it's true after all that men are inherently the more violent sex, do you not think that hate crimes against transgender women are going to spike once they're in a room of men on their own?

Beyond all the calls for "common sense" and "there are two genders and that's it," I've not heard from one gender critical person what transgender women are supposed to do when they're confronted with the possibility of being violently assaulted once they start rocking up in men's changing rooms and toilets?
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I still also haven't heard much explanation about how the gender critical types will feel when burly bearded trans men start rocking up in the ladies toilets either. And what do they do when they have a cis gendered woman coming into the toilets who might have the wrong haircut or a slightly masculine jawline? It's such a dangerous path to be policing how women ought to present themselves in single sex spaces.
 
Had a quick google of women in the doomsday book. It suggests there were several mentioned

Women and Domesday

The Domesday Book was compiled by William the Conqueror in 1086. It was a means of ascertaining just how much this new Kingdom could bring ...
womenofhistory.blogspot.com womenofhistory.blogspot.com
 
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