Reform 2025 Limited new name same business

bluethrunthru said:
Its about highlighting a comedy Party of racist mis-fits and grifters. It doesn't matter how many votes you get its where you get them that counts an in a FPTP system shows that - see seats/votes ratio the last GE. Farage talks about a political Tsunami but they have won fewer that 20 seats in local council elections since the GE and the vast majority of councillors they have are joiners from the Tory Party - very principled folk I am sure.

They do face threats too. They lost 20% of their MP's when Lowe left them. If he follows through with legal action for defamatory statements Farage and Tice are going to be caught up in very public proceedings at a bad time for them.

Finally they face a threat from Ben Habib who they kicked out - he has just announced the Integrity Party - a further attack from the Far Right and a Party that at present is mysteriously funded but unashamedly aimed at Reform. Lowe and Habib are well liked by the Reform faithful which wounds Farage and Tice too.

For me the chances of Farage forming a Govt are zero - the chances of him cutting and running and forming a new grifter party are 50% ++++ because its what he does.
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Hope you're right. As a FOC of mixed ethnicity who was born here I'm genuinely fearful of those grifters getting elected.
 
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BlueHammer85 said:
Yes, I already learnt that from the Brexit vote.
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That's the point though isn't it. We haven't learned and are falling for the same divide and rule polarising trick again - likely followed by another 'shock' election result in a few years time.
Well all be shaking our heads in disbelief and there will probably be ten farage threads on here all full of liberal outrage at the stupidity of the electorate. It's like watching a slow moving car crash.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
That's the point though isn't it. We haven't learned and are falling for the same divide and rule polarising trick again - likely followed by another 'shock' election result in a few years time.
Well all be shaking our heads in disbelief and there will probably be ten farage threads on here all full of liberal outrage at the stupidity of the electorate. It's like watching a slow moving car crash.
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I won’t be shaking my head in disbelief, I can see the anti Labour rhetoric ramping up and people will once again fall for Farages bullshit.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
That's the point though isn't it. We haven't learned and are falling for the same divide and rule polarising trick again - likely followed by another 'shock' election result in a few years time.
Well all be shaking our heads in disbelief and there will probably be ten farage threads on here all full of liberal outrage at the stupidity of the electorate. It's like watching a slow moving car crash.
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If people are happy to get conned twice then it’s kind of difficult to avoid labelling them as stupid. We could entertain alternatives. Electorally challenged, perhaps, or maybe they enjoyed the entertainment of having a different Prime Minister every six months. Farage’s Brexit provided zero benefits, but it did allow us the heady farce of a Prime Minister going head to head with a lettuce and losing.

So, if after the last decade of turmoil, the British people decide they want more mind bending insanity then pointing out their stupidity is akin to an act of kindness and one I will happily indulge in.
 
blueinsa said:
Calling others thick plebs is about as divisive as it gets.

Just saying.
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Just because I don't like the Labour party which incidentally is as far away from being the party for the people as it possibly can be without calling itself Tory...... It's about the limit to his scope of argument "If you don't agree with me I'm going to call you names" pretty standard for those that have nothing else to defend themselves with.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
I won’t be shaking my head in disbelief, I can see the anti Labour rhetoric ramping up and people will once again fall for Farages bullshit.
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So what is happening for the anti-Labour rhetoric to be ramping up? They must be pissing off the public big time, the same public that gifted them a huge majority. Could it be that the public feel they've been misled, conned or lied to...? Not me, because I've experienced Labour for years but and I don't like it - but the electorate generally?

Even you a staunch Labour supporter have to acknowledge there is something amiss here,
 
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BigJoe#1 said:
Just because I don't like the Labour party which incidentally is as far away from being the party for the people as it possibly can be without calling itself Tory...... It's about the limit to his scope of argument "If you don't agree with me I'm going to call you names" pretty standard for those that have nothing else to defend themselves with.
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Sometimes, you just have to speak truth to people. It also saves time. For example. Anyone voting Reform is an idiot as only an idiot would fall for Farage’s grift a second time around. QED.
 
BobKowalski said:
If people are happy to get conned twice then it’s kind of difficult to avoid labelling them as stupid. We could entertain alternatives. Electorally challenged, perhaps, or maybe they enjoyed the entertainment of having a different Prime Minister every six months. Farage’s Brexit provided zero benefits, but it did allow us the heady farce of a Prime Minister going head to head with a lettuce and losing.

So, if after the last decade of turmoil, the British people decide they want more mind bending insanity then pointing out their stupidity is akin to an act of kindness and one I will happily indulge in.
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Bob.... it's pretty simple really, there is nothing worth voting for IMO.

Labour are NOT Labour
The Tories are the Tories
and the Greens and Liberal Democrats are are a complete waste of time.

The public are pissed with politicians and politics in general - that is why Farage will get a lot of votes.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
So what is happening for the anti-Labour rhetoric to be ramping up? They must be pissing off the public big time, the same public that gifted them a huge majority. Could it be that the public feel they've been misled, conned or lied to...? Not me, because I've experienced Labour for years but and I don't like it - but the electorate generally?

Even you a staunch Labour supporter have to acknowledge there is something amiss here,
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From day 1 the right wing mob and Farage lovers like yourself constantly berate Labour and put all blame on them for any policy or decision they make without any context to inheriting 14 years of Tory mess - it was predictable this would happen in todays social media world.

Labour have made mistakes, far from perfect and will make unpopular decisions, that is politics. However rats like yourself that constantly push the anti Labour narrative whilst trying to convince people the likes of Reform/Farage is a good alternative 'protest' vote is where i take aim.
 
BobKowalski said:
Sometimes, you just have to speak truth to people. It also saves time. For example. Anyone voting Reform is an idiot as only an idiot would fall for Farage’s grift a second time around. QED.
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But if a large number of people vote fote for him or his party, the rest rest of the political sphere needs to take a very hard look at themselves and wonder how they've managed to fuck this country up.

Yes, the last fourteen years or whatever were disastrous, but the decade that preceded that was equally catastrophic as was Thatchers Britain and the '70's. We are a fucking basket case!
 
BlueHammer85 said:
From day 1 the right wing mob and Farage lovers like yourself constantly berate Labour and put all blame on them for any policy or decision they make without any context to inheriting 14 years of Tory mess - it was predictable this would happen in todays social media world.

Labour have made mistakes, far from perfect and will make unpopular decisions, that is politics. However rats like yourself that constantly push the anti Labour narrative whilst trying to convince people the likes of Reform/Farage is a good alternative 'protest' vote is where i take aim.
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Rats now.... keep 'em coming.

Are you talking about the Tory mess that followed on from the Labour debacle.... "there's no money left"

Don't get me wrong, Cameron and Osborne were a fucking nightmare, probably worse than Thaycher for Tory boy politics, but sadly Labour and Starmer and Reeves and Rayner really are no better.

Labour are not the workers party but they lie and mislead people to think they are. At least the Tories tell you they're going to line their own pockets, unlike Labout who do it but son't tell you.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
Bob.... it's pretty simple really, there is nothing worth voting for IMO.

Labour are NOT Labour
The Tories are the Tories
and the Greens and Liberal Democrats are are a complete waste of time.

The public are pissed with politicians and politics in general - that is why Farage will get a lot of votes.
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Yes, it is simple. They are idiots.

PS: You may be unaware of this, but Farage is also a politician and a politician who ten years ago sold this country a handful of magic beans and whose solution to every issue is (wait for it)…magic beans. People who vote for magic bean merchants are unquestionably, idiots.

PPS: If you want to see magic bean grifters currently in action then pop across to the US. It’s magic bean thinking on steroids.

PPPS: Greens, Lib Dems are alternatives for the protest vote, if protest is the aim.
 
BobKowalski said:
Yes, it is simple. They are idiots.


PPPS: Greens, Lib Dems are alternatives for the protest vote, if protest is the aim.
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Absolutely.... ALL POLITICIANS ARE IDOTS!! I'll go along with that

Never... the green ideology is fucking ludicrous. Following the net zero option whilst the rest of the world profit against our losses. As has been said many times, our contribution to carbon emissions in negligible and won't make a bit of difference to the global outputs - yet we are paying through the nose for the privilege.
 
Had an interesting discussion with a neighbour last night. He has put up posters and a flag supporting Reform UK. So I asked him if he could tell me why he was supporting them and what their policies are. All he could say was they are going to stop the boats. At this point I asked him how this affected him, as someone who hasn't worked for over 20 years, and scams the system for every benefit he can get (he's previously told me I am mad for working and offered to help me to also do this).
He had no idea that Reform UK are going to cut benefits and that in our area we have less than 1% immigrants.
Also asked him how they were going to stop the boats. Said he had "no idea ". I then told him that neither did Farage.
This guy also confirmed he has never ever voted before. I'm sure this is the type of person they are targeting.
 
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