Goalkeeper situation summer 25

Bluewonder said:
He isn't saying he's crap, he's saying he's declined over his time with us.

I don't think that's a controversial view.
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It is. He is the fulcrum of how we play and his distribution improved steadily until this season. He is a good shot stopper but his distribution was and is the most important factor. It was why Joe got the boot. Nothing to do with the GK coach.
 
Bluewonder said:
Well, we did. Ederson was better in his first couple of years than the last couple.
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Think your memories playing tricks. Maybe his abilities have become normalised over the years and now he’s judged differently. I will admit injuries and maybe his heart not being in it since last summer when he wanted to go have knocked the edge off his game this season but he has still been very good. Before this season though ,I’m not having it.
 
blueparrot said:
Think your memories playing tricks. Maybe his abilities have become normalised over the years and now he’s judged differently. I will admit injuries and maybe his heart not being in it since last summer when he wanted to go have knocked the edge off his game this season but he has still been very good. Before this season though ,I’m not having it.
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Not sure on that.
There were quite a few on here this last time year saying ortega should be number 1
 
decmancity said:
Xabi isn't sat on the bench controlling Ederson like he's playing FIFA on the playstation. Ederson is ultimately going to do what he thinks is right in the situation, he's human. A bit of a nutter, has a specific way he wants to play and you live and die by it.
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A good coach is able to help a player manage their emotions and make better decisions in a game. I've seen numerous games, particularly in the CL where Ederson displayed the same mistakes. Keep it simple, keep your head and don't over complicate things.

Ederson has been a fantastic goalkeeper with a passing range that is unrivalled. But in my opinion, with better coaching he could have become one of the all time greats. Instead he will only be remembered as being good with the ball at his feet. Which was often an issue in big games where he invited pressure unnecessarily and put us in more trouble than we needed to be.
 
blueparrot said:
So not only are our coaches not that great they can’t coach very simple things according t9 you. Yes that'll be right. And yet despite that I’ve seen worse and more error from the so called best in the world down the road.
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I don't believe Ederson's weaknesses, which to me don't appear to be complicated to resolve have been so I would level that at his coach based on the track record of other goalkeepers at the club who have also declined under their coaching yes.

IF you're talking about Allison his weaknesses are much more difficult to address in my opinion and I'm more interested in our club anyway.
 
supercity88 said:
A good coach is able to help a player manage their emotions and make better decisions in a game. I've seen numerous games, particularly in the CL where Ederson displayed the same mistakes. Keep it simple, keep your head and don't over complicate things.

Ederson has been a fantastic goalkeeper with a passing range that is unrivalled. But in my opinion, with better coaching he could have become one of the all time greats. Instead he will only be remembered as being good with the ball at his feet. Which was often an issue in big games where he invited pressure unnecessarily and put us in more trouble than we needed to be.
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Ive seen multiple players under Pep make the same mistakes as well, are we saying he's not a good coach as well then?

Does anyone even know the names of any other goalkeeper coaches? If there was a genius out there who could master any player, they would have their pick of the clubs. Is as much to do with the coach as it is the player themselves and every week we can pick fault in games for every keeper in the world, none are perfect and so neither must the coaches be.

It's football, nothing is perfect. We have come about as close as you can in the last several years. Ederson been a big part of it.
 
The goalkeeper for me is the most important player in any side.

You can have the greatest outfield players in the world, the best team but if your keeper is dodgy or a liability you ain't winning anything.

Ederson is criminally underrated by some of our fan base, he's been a huge part of why we have been so successful, just go and look at the highlights of the UCL final to see that, his performance was incredible.
 
Keeper! said:
The goalkeeper for me is the most important player in any side.

You can have the greatest outfield players in the world, the best team but if your keeper is dodgy or a liability you ain't winning anything.

Ederson is criminally underrated by some of our fan base, he's been a huge part of why we have been so successful, just go and look at the highlights of the UCL final to see that, his performance was incredible.
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Very good GK. Been integral to our success under Pep. He's got a couple of flaws that are exposed occasionally, but there's not another GK that hasn't.
 
Keeper! said:
The goalkeeper for me is the most important player in any side.

You can have the greatest outfield players in the world, the best team but if your keeper is dodgy or a liability you ain't winning anything.

Ederson is criminally underrated by some of our fan base, he's been a huge part of why we have been so successful, just go and look at the highlights of the UCL final to see that, his performance was incredible.
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You think Victor Valdes was a more important player than Messi in Pep’s Barcelona team?
 
Keeper! said:
The goalkeeper for me is the most important player in any side.

You can have the greatest outfield players in the world, the best team but if your keeper is dodgy or a liability you ain't winning anything.

Ederson is criminally underrated by some of our fan base, he's been a huge part of why we have been so successful, just go and look at the highlights of the UCL final to see that, his performance was incredible.
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Is this why your user is keeper and not centre mid?
 
Keeper! said:
Valdes was a decent keeper nothing more but his defenders trusted him, we could have prime Rodri, Wirtz and Haaland in our side next season but if the new keeper is iffy we ain't going to win anything.
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Completely agree that trust in the goalkeeper is paramount, and something we need to get right with whoever takes Ederson’s place

Not sure that’s quite the same argument as the goalkeeper being the most important player in the team though. Plenty of teams have had excellent goalies and not won anything, and several excellent sides had mid-level (at best) keepers (Dida in Ancelotti’s Milan side springs to mind)
 
Zin 'messiah' Zimmer said:
Didn’t kick on????

He’s been at the foundation of the system and being a mean 8 across his skill set makes him the stand out keeper of the last decade… the game was always going to evolve whilst in post but I’d hazard a guess, much like Kasper’s analysis recently, he is the figure all up and coming keepers try to emulate…

Totally bemused by your overview; alas though, a player is always easier to attack when on the downturn…. Fine margins are what elevated his stature and there’s been no better to do it in his time with us, ludicrous to assert he was simply ‘steady eddie’….
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Found the recent analysis from Kasper, who debunked nobby Neville, explaining perfectly what set Ederson apart and the umbrella of his importance…. If he stagnated or regressed, his peers clearly don’t think so…

Watch from 38 - 48 mins, sums up the point

 
Keeper! said:
Claudio Bravo set us back a season, we had a great team but a team with no confidence in the keeper until Ederson rocked up.
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I’ll counter that by saying he was the pilot for the blueprint and the model from which to ingrain; the fullbacks that first year were zaba, AK, sagna and clichy, the trial and error was always flawed yet reinforced despite the errors, Ederson would of struggled also…. The means to the end was implanting the system to the team long term, a collective style those in front could hit the ground running when the recruitment year 2 kicked in!
 
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