Florian Wirtz

[nmc]

Are full backs & fullbacks on your list the same ?

We are moving to a back 6 with double fullbacks to make up for all the years we haven’t bothered with them.

 

[bugsyblue]

That's not what I said, they are a good example of a team that has 3 world class players with very good supporting players.

We rarely sign players who are world class superstars who are at the pinnacle in their position - more often we sign very good players, with tactical flexibility, who become world class under Pep. It's not about settling, it's understanding how we make squads.

That’s a fair comment and something I agree with. I guess I always saw the potential world class quality in the likes of KDB, Bernardo, Dias etc. Marmoush looks like he has great potential (although personally I think there’s issues how to integrate him and Haaland into the same formation) but most of our recent signings and players we are linked with underwhelm.

I guess I personally just fear we are in danger of losing top quality and not having adequate players to step into their shoes but I guess time will tell.

 

[supercity88]

I'm still not sure how we'll play next season. What Pep's done this season goes out the window with everyone fit and available. He'll have seen the issues with how we play but I don't think he'll agree his tactics or approach have been "worked out" and that it needs a drastic change.

 

[Ajm1985]

I'm still not sure how we'll play next season. What Pep's done this season goes out the window with everyone fit and available. He'll have seen the issues with how we play but I don't think he'll agree his tactics or approach have been "worked out" and that it needs a drastic change.

Yeah that's the most intriguing aspect. The 4 2 2 2 is seemingly just a best use of resources (in his opinion) and the 3 1 6 was his preference early on (but was a bit open). Attacking fullbacks with all action 8s (Reijnders & MGW) is a bit Klopp but who knows what it may look like.

 

[citytill1die84]

Dippers getting excited on Twatter hopefully it doesn't happen.

Just can't see Liverpool forking out 300m on a deal like this after Dyke and Salah renewals plus losing TAA.

 

[supercity88]

Dippers getting excited on Twatter hopefully it doesn't happen.

Just can't see Liverpool forking out 300m on a deal like this after Dyke and Salah renewals plus losing TAA.

It would be a monumental change in approach from them if they forked out the money it would take to sign Wirtz. We walked away and we're usually much more competitive than they are on these sorts of deals.

They don't have a huge number of areas to improve, but they're particularly stacked in that attacking midfield area so it's a strange one for them to look at anyway.

 

[waspish]

It would be a monumental change in approach from them if they forked out the money it would take to sign Wirtz. We walked away and we're usually much more competitive than they are on these sorts of deals.

They don't have a huge number of areas to improve, but they're particularly stacked in that attacking midfield area so it's a strange one for them to look at anyway.

Well it's only 100m plus 350k a week 5 year deal that works out at around 200m not 300m deal! They can do it

 

[neilhb]

Well it's only 100m plus 350k a week 5 year deal that works out at around 200m not 300m deal! They can do it

Don't forget agents/families fees (backhanders). That is apparently worth anthor £100m

 

[Dax777]

I'm still not sure how we'll play next season. What Pep's done this season goes out the window with everyone fit and available. He'll have seen the issues with how we play but I don't think he'll agree his tactics or approach have been "worked out" and that it needs a drastic change.

Mor likely the way we played yesterday.

3 forwards. ( Marmoish, Kevin, Haaland.)

Marmoush inside left, Kev's replacement ( Foden if healthy) off the right and Erling in the middle.

3 midfielders. (Potentially Reijnders (playing Gundo role) to the left, Rodri in the middle (as he signalled when he came on yesterday) and Kova to his right in the Bernado role.

2 Attacking fullbacks: Like O'Reilly and Nunes (Perhaps different names)

2 CBs: Khusa and Gvardiol potentially. With Dias and Reis backing them off.

And a Keeper

 

[christened at st marks]

I’ve held back from commenting during the peak of the Florian Wirtz Manchester City links, mostly because I understood where the club really stood behind the scenes. The reality was far less dramatic than the headlines made it seem.Now that the decision has been made and City have formally stepped away from the deal, it’s worth clarifying a few things, because the reaction online has been wildly disproportionate to what Florian Wirtz actually represented to this project we’ve got going. Yes, Florian Wirtz is a bright talented player. That’s not in question. But within key figures at Manchester City, there’s been growing internal skepticism about whether he’s the right type of talent for what’s being built post-Pep Guardiola. Nobody knows if he will stay longer than he’s agreed. So we’ve got to plan for after he leaves. We’ve always been a club that builds for the long term, not short term. Florian Wirtz is a brilliant technician, but we’re not spending a package totalling €300m on someone whose best work comes in low-stakes zones and doesn’t shift our structureWhat people outside the club often miss is that Manchester City’s next evolution isn’t about collecting names, it’s about specificity, sustainability, and character fit. Florian Wirtz didn’t tick enough of those boxes for the price we would’ve had to pay. Internally, there was concern about his physical profile in the Premier League, his off-ball intensity, and whether he’d adapt to Manchester City’s positional play without the kind of freedom he’s enjoyed under Alonso. It wasn’t a stylistic match, not really.That’s where Morgan Gibbs-White comes in, and why some of the noise around him this month hasn’t come from nowhere.Morgan Gibbs-White is seen not as a compromise, but as a more pragmatic, Premier League-proven alternative. Homegrown, press-resistant, fearless between the lines, and tactically coachable.Morgan Gibbs-White understands rhythm, he plays with urgency, and he doesn’t need 10 touches to make a decision.The differennce between the Premier League & the Bundesliga. From a squad-building standpoint, it makes more sense too. Lower fee overall, better versatility, and far more manageable expectations, especially for a role that will initially be rotational.And for those laughing at the idea: the same people who dismissed Kalvin Phillips as “smart depth” are now mocking a profile City’s data team have actually been tracking for two years.There’s no guarantee anything happens,but the shift away from Florian Wirtz wasn’t a loss. It was Manchester City acting with restraint. The smarter play isn’t always the shinier one.Bayern can buy him for a ridiculous fee, if anything it shows that Wirtz has no ambition to play at the top level & wants his career easy. I’d prefer to have a passionate Smith-Rowe on my team over someone like that. Morgan Gibbs-White will be the shining light of this Manchester City team, You’ll all see soon.

 

[bell_mcfc]

Mor likely the way we played yesterday.

3 forwards. ( Marmoish, Kevin, Haaland.)

Marmoush inside left, Kev's replacement ( Foden if healthy) off the right and Erling in the middle.

3 midfielders. (Potentially Reijnders (playing Gundo role) to the left, Rodri in the middle (as he signalled when he came on yesterday) and Kova to his right in the Bernado role.

2 Attacking fullbacks: Like O'Reilly and Nunes (Perhaps different names)

2 CBs: Khusa and Gvardiol potentially. With Dias and Reis backing them off.

And a Keeper

Dias will be captain next year, unless the guys vote for Rodri and then Dias will be VC.

I get what you are saying and there will be a lot of rotation and Khusanov I believe will get serious minutes but Dias starts all day.

 

[Dax777]

Dias will be captain next year, unless the guys vote for Rodri and then Dias will be VC.

I get what you are saying and there will be a lot of rotation and Khusanov I believe will get serious minutes but Dias starts all day.

I get he'll be captain. But Walker was Captain too and didn't guarantee him starts. If the current level persists with his lack of speed, then Khusa would have to take over

My prediction is he'll start but by mid season Khusa will be preferred

 

[bell_mcfc]

I get he'll be captain. But Walker was Captain too and didn't guarantee him starts. If the current level persists with his lack of speed, then Khusa would have to take over

My prediction is he'll start but by mid season Khusa will be preferred

Khusnaov for me is in for a big season. Will be times we rest Dias or Josko. Will be times where Josko is played at LB. Khusanov will be our 3rd option and lots of minutes.

Dias will be fine. Everyone has been poor this season. Getting caught out from a shit midfield and makeshift backline doesn’t help. More structure will help him get back to form.

 

[Dax777]

Khusnaov for me is in for a big season. Will be times we rest Dias or Josko. Will be times where Josko is played at LB. Khusanov will be our 3rd option and lots of minutes.

Dias will be fine. Everyone has been poor this season. Getting caught out from a shit midfield and makeshift backline doesn’t help. More structure will help him get back to form.

I see it the other way. Dias as the 3rd option. All 3 will play lots .

 

[PragueBlue]

Khusnaov for me is in for a big season. Will be times we rest Dias or Josko. Will be times where Josko is played at LB. Khusanov will be our 3rd option and lots of minutes.

Dias will be fine. Everyone has been poor this season. Getting caught out from a shit midfield and makeshift backline doesn’t help. More structure will help him get back to form.

Unless sold, I suspect we may see more of Akanji, Ake, Stones (if fit).

 

[houraisen]

I’ve held back from commenting during the peak of the Florian Wirtz Manchester City links, mostly because I understood where the club really stood behind the scenes. The reality was far less dramatic than the headlines made it seem.Now that the decision has been made and City have formally stepped away from the deal, it’s worth clarifying a few things, because the reaction online has been wildly disproportionate to what Florian Wirtz actually represented to this project we’ve got going. Yes, Florian Wirtz is a bright talented player. That’s not in question. But within key figures at Manchester City, there’s been growing internal skepticism about whether he’s the right type of talent for what’s being built post-Pep Guardiola. Nobody knows if he will stay longer than he’s agreed. So we’ve got to plan for after he leaves. We’ve always been a club that builds for the long term, not short term. Florian Wirtz is a brilliant technician, but we’re not spending a package totalling €300m on someone whose best work comes in low-stakes zones and doesn’t shift our structureWhat people outside the club often miss is that Manchester City’s next evolution isn’t about collecting names, it’s about specificity, sustainability, and character fit. Florian Wirtz didn’t tick enough of those boxes for the price we would’ve had to pay. Internally, there was concern about his physical profile in the Premier League, his off-ball intensity, and whether he’d adapt to Manchester City’s positional play without the kind of freedom he’s enjoyed under Alonso. It wasn’t a stylistic match, not really.That’s where Morgan Gibbs-White comes in, and why some of the noise around him this month hasn’t come from nowhere.Morgan Gibbs-White is seen not as a compromise, but as a more pragmatic, Premier League-proven alternative. Homegrown, press-resistant, fearless between the lines, and tactically coachable.Morgan Gibbs-White understands rhythm, he plays with urgency, and he doesn’t need 10 touches to make a decision.The differennce between the Premier League & the Bundesliga. From a squad-building standpoint, it makes more sense too. Lower fee overall, better versatility, and far more manageable expectations, especially for a role that will initially be rotational.And for those laughing at the idea: the same people who dismissed Kalvin Phillips as “smart depth” are now mocking a profile City’s data team have actually been tracking for two years.There’s no guarantee anything happens,but the shift away from Florian Wirtz wasn’t a loss. It was Manchester City acting with restraint. The smarter play isn’t always the shinier one.Bayern can buy him for a ridiculous fee, if anything it shows that Wirtz has no ambition to play at the top level & wants his career easy. I’d prefer to have a passionate Smith-Rowe on my team over someone like that. Morgan Gibbs-White will be the shining light of this Manchester City team, You’ll all see soon.

 

[Gaz (FMwkdsoul)]

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Screams of copium but i get it. (no idea who he is though)

 

[BluestBlue]

I just don't think that's true.

For argument sake (I respect not all these players are available and realistic but to prove the point), which side would you prefer:

Ederson
Dumfries
Stones
Dias
Gvardiol
Rodri
Camavinga
Wirtz
Savinho
Foden
Haaland

Or

Costa
Wesley
Dias
Gvardiol
Cambiasso
Rodri
Gibbs-White
Foden
Savinho
Cherki
Haaland

Both those teams are superb bro wtf it’s like asking to choose between a Lambo or a Ferarri

Okay first off. I want us to have traditional full backs. The system we use doesn’t use wingers. We use Foden and Marmoush as inside forwards. I also want steel in midfield. I’m going for more PnP and having a world class starting XI. I think our midfield needs legs and our attack need high volume chance creators for Marmoush x Haaland

My names were
Nouri LB
Munoz/Vanderson RB Walker replacement
Reinjders CM Gundo replacement
Cherki CAM Kev replacement
Rodrygo Forward (not the most important signing)
Chevalier

I was thinking 4222 with Foden fighting for that inside role with Cherki. The full backs push high but there’s still a box midfield to flood the box. That lineup should win us the double. Problem is many players would need to go. Bench is only. Foden, Savio, Doku, Nico G, O Riley, Bobb, Dias, GK, GK, Lewis, Ake, Akanji

Haaland Marmoush
Rodrygo Cherki
Reinjders Rodri
Nouri Gvardiol Khusonov Munoz
Chevalier

I love both your teams seriously.
Team 1 is great on paper but Stones I’m sorry I’ve had it with him, less than 20 games a season is unacceptable. But adding Dumfries is great idrc about his age either. Camavinga is my dream Rodri partner. I wish Wirtz picked us but that’s chip is sailed. And yea the front 3 is balanced.

Team 2 is also really cool. I’m not a fan of Wesley or Cambiasso. One can’t defend properly the other seems injury prone and unable to run up and down like Walker used to. but I understand he’s super versatile and would invert which Pep loves. MGW doesn’t excite me but I think he’ll do a job. Basically adding Cherki in there is what will get me off my seat and he’s my favourite player to watch outside city.

Even if I could bring the signings to only 4 players
Ederson replacement = Chevalier Or Garcia
Walker Replacement = Munoz/Vanderson
Gundo replacement = Reinjders
KDB replacement = Cherki
I’m fine with this as long as Foden reaches his old form and Savio and Doku start producing, I mean seriously. I’m not asking them to be Neymar but they have to kick on.

4 minimum. But most importantly minimum 5 must leave
Grealish
Bernardo
Gundo
Kova (could stay)
Stones
Ederson
Ortega
Walker
Akanji but promote JSP (nominated Player of the season in EDS)

 

[citytill1die84]

I’ve held back from commenting during the peak of the Florian Wirtz Manchester City links, mostly because I understood where the club really stood behind the scenes. The reality was far less dramatic than the headlines made it seem.Now that the decision has been made and City have formally stepped away from the deal, it’s worth clarifying a few things, because the reaction online has been wildly disproportionate to what Florian Wirtz actually represented to this project we’ve got going. Yes, Florian Wirtz is a bright talented player. That’s not in question. But within key figures at Manchester City, there’s been growing internal skepticism about whether he’s the right type of talent for what’s being built post-Pep Guardiola. Nobody knows if he will stay longer than he’s agreed. So we’ve got to plan for after he leaves. We’ve always been a club that builds for the long term, not short term. Florian Wirtz is a brilliant technician, but we’re not spending a package totalling €300m on someone whose best work comes in low-stakes zones and doesn’t shift our structureWhat people outside the club often miss is that Manchester City’s next evolution isn’t about collecting names, it’s about specificity, sustainability, and character fit. Florian Wirtz didn’t tick enough of those boxes for the price we would’ve had to pay. Internally, there was concern about his physical profile in the Premier League, his off-ball intensity, and whether he’d adapt to Manchester City’s positional play without the kind of freedom he’s enjoyed under Alonso. It wasn’t a stylistic match, not really.That’s where Morgan Gibbs-White comes in, and why some of the noise around him this month hasn’t come from nowhere.Morgan Gibbs-White is seen not as a compromise, but as a more pragmatic, Premier League-proven alternative. Homegrown, press-resistant, fearless between the lines, and tactically coachable.Morgan Gibbs-White understands rhythm, he plays with urgency, and he doesn’t need 10 touches to make a decision.The differennce between the Premier League & the Bundesliga. From a squad-building standpoint, it makes more sense too. Lower fee overall, better versatility, and far more manageable expectations, especially for a role that will initially be rotational.And for those laughing at the idea: the same people who dismissed Kalvin Phillips as “smart depth” are now mocking a profile City’s data team have actually been tracking for two years.There’s no guarantee anything happens,but the shift away from Florian Wirtz wasn’t a loss. It was Manchester City acting with restraint. The smarter play isn’t always the shinier one.Bayern can buy him for a ridiculous fee, if anything it shows that Wirtz has no ambition to play at the top level & wants his career easy. I’d prefer to have a passionate Smith-Rowe on my team over someone like that. Morgan Gibbs-White will be the shining light of this Manchester City team, You’ll all see soon.

Lol

 

[TB369]

I’ve held back from commenting during the peak of the Florian Wirtz Manchester City links, mostly because I understood where the club really stood behind the scenes. The reality was far less dramatic than the headlines made it seem.Now that the decision has been made and City have formally stepped away from the deal, it’s worth clarifying a few things, because the reaction online has been wildly disproportionate to what Florian Wirtz actually represented to this project we’ve got going. Yes, Florian Wirtz is a bright talented player. That’s not in question. But within key figures at Manchester City, there’s been growing internal skepticism about whether he’s the right type of talent for what’s being built post-Pep Guardiola. Nobody knows if he will stay longer than he’s agreed. So we’ve got to plan for after he leaves. We’ve always been a club that builds for the long term, not short term. Florian Wirtz is a brilliant technician, but we’re not spending a package totalling €300m on someone whose best work comes in low-stakes zones and doesn’t shift our structureWhat people outside the club often miss is that Manchester City’s next evolution isn’t about collecting names, it’s about specificity, sustainability, and character fit. Florian Wirtz didn’t tick enough of those boxes for the price we would’ve had to pay. Internally, there was concern about his physical profile in the Premier League, his off-ball intensity, and whether he’d adapt to Manchester City’s positional play without the kind of freedom he’s enjoyed under Alonso. It wasn’t a stylistic match, not really.That’s where Morgan Gibbs-White comes in, and why some of the noise around him this month hasn’t come from nowhere.Morgan Gibbs-White is seen not as a compromise, but as a more pragmatic, Premier League-proven alternative. Homegrown, press-resistant, fearless between the lines, and tactically coachable.Morgan Gibbs-White understands rhythm, he plays with urgency, and he doesn’t need 10 touches to make a decision.The differennce between the Premier League & the Bundesliga. From a squad-building standpoint, it makes more sense too. Lower fee overall, better versatility, and far more manageable expectations, especially for a role that will initially be rotational.And for those laughing at the idea: the same people who dismissed Kalvin Phillips as “smart depth” are now mocking a profile City’s data team have actually been tracking for two years.There’s no guarantee anything happens,but the shift away from Florian Wirtz wasn’t a loss. It was Manchester City acting with restraint. The smarter play isn’t always the shinier one.Bayern can buy him for a ridiculous fee, if anything it shows that Wirtz has no ambition to play at the top level & wants his career easy. I’d prefer to have a passionate Smith-Rowe on my team over someone like that. Morgan Gibbs-White will be the shining light of this Manchester City team, You’ll all see soon.

Don't know what's a bigger waste of time, him writing his own fan fiction or me taking the time to read it.