While the fans attacking the car escalates the seriousness of the situation when you look at the footage, the punch happens after he’s reversed a bit and nearly knocked a fan over in doing so, so it could be argued that the driver has escalated it first. And some of the other footage from later on in the incident appears to show the driver deliberately veering into fans. Frightened or not, that’s not a good look.The person DELIBERATELY punched the car -the mowing down of people may well have been a panicking , frightened driver who had strayed into the wrong area
It's not school holidays everywhere in the UK. Scottish kids aren't off and I dont think Northern Ireland are either.I'm more concerned that the education secretary doesn't realise that its half term everywhere in the uk. Thats her job!
Yeah, if my car was getting battered by all sorts, from an angry mob I would defo get out of the car and try to reason with them. He will be wishing he done that of course and we all wished that was the case. Sadly rational thinking leaves you when in that mindset. Scared for his own safety he has brainless put others in danger. It is a complete shitshow which could have been avoided and everyone needs to be held accountable. Liverpool fans included.
Until your in that situation you don’t know how you would react I’m not justifying knocking people over but at the beginning they were behaving like animals the guys obviously panicked and the results are there for all to see mateWhile the fans attacking the car escalates the seriousness of the situation when you look at the footage, the punch happens after he’s reversed a bit and nearly knocked a fan over in doing so, so it could be argued that the driver has escalated it first. And some of the other footage appears to show the driver deliberately veering into fans. Frightened or not, that’s not a good look.
Clearly, and thankfully nowhere near the same level but it brought back memories of the 2 soldiers killed over here in 1988 at Milltown CemetaryAt that point most people will be assuming it was a deliberate terrorist attack, what do you expect them to do?
He could have started the car again, jumped out with a weapon or detonated a bomb.
It had the hallmarks of a terrorist attack.
Was this a different bump to when he was very slowly reversing and bumped someone? Reversing due to what was going on around him and to his car? He 100% took the wrong decision. As did the thug like Liverpool fans (again) it's the innocent injured I feel sorry for, let down by their own fans.Early on he'd beeped and slightly bumped somebody. The crowd then started to get agitated. It was only when he got angry himself and started speeding up etcetera they really turned on him. Split seconds to make the right decision. He took the wrong one and it escalated very badly.
sorry, GMP would be busy themselves-you cant rely on mutual aid in these circumstances, there simply isn't this huge pot of staff to move about.Lack of experience in organising parades will ultimately be the reason given after a protracted enquiry into this shambles. The solution was surely to draft in Greater Manchester police , who have successfully organised parades over numerous years, or they could have just had a barbeque.
That is such a broad sweeping statement-do you include the officers who rushed to ensure the driver wasn't lynched and the ones who gave emergency first aid to dozens of people?As with the coach attack, they will shield the blame, close ranks, and protect themselves. They are the most incompetent police force in the UK.
Because that who the government have put forward for interviews this morning so the BBC interview her or nobody. She may well be the education secretary today but tomorrow she could be the minister for transport, her position in the cabinet doesn't necessarily mean she is a specialist in that area. By your logic the PM should never be interviewed about anything because he doesn't have a department!Why are the BBC currently interviewing the Education Secretary about it? Why ask her what teachers can say to their pupils today in school about it? Why does the Education Secretary not realise that its half term in every state school in the country this week? The mind boggles
Saw more clips this morning,shows him trying to reverse and bumps someone slowly, they stayed on their feet, which then led to Dippers laying into his car, smashing his rear window and he drove off whilst having his car trashed, then it seems he stopped by the ambulance but more crowds started on his car and he panicked and drove off into the fans probably due to sheet panic.Was this a different bump to when he was very slowly reversing and bumped someone? Reversing due to what was going on around him and to his car? He 100% took the wrong decision. As did the thug like Liverpool fans (again) it's the innocent injured I feel sorry for, let down by their own fans.
True mate but I’m sure when they piece the footage together they’ll get a better idea of who was ultimately to blame.Until your in that situation you don’t know how you would react I’m not justifying knocking people over but at the beginning they were behaving like animals the guys obviously panicked and the results are there for all to see mate
From all of the footage it is clear panic which makes it all worse that it could have been avoided. He didn't leave his house to do that yesterday, circumstances got to that point which is unthinkable. Cars shouldn't have been on that road to begin with, the guy in the car didn't need to be beeping and bumping and the mob didn't need to attack his car. That car doesn't get attacked then he doesn't feel panicked to speed off in the manner he did. Just hoping everyone pulls through.Saw more clips this morning,shows him trying to reverse and bumps someone slowly, they stayed on their feet, which then led to Dippers laying into his car, smashing his rear window and he drove off whilst having his car trashed, then it seems he stopped by the ambulance but more crowds started on his car and he panicked and drove off into the fans probably due to sheet panic.
That driver wasn't getting his car smashed up to fuck so yeah, sounds the driver at fault. This guy was in the wrong place at the wrong time and lost his head off the back of probably feeling threatened. He has to face them consequences as should the dick head with the bag punching fuck out of the car.True mate but I’m sure when they piece the footage together they’ll get a better idea of who was ultimately to blame.
I posted on here last night about some dickhead driver flooring their car past our stadium pre-match one time when there were shit loads of fans crossing the road, almost causing a serious incident. And that wasn’t the fault of the fans. It was on the driver 100%
There were people fighting the police to get to him. That wasn’t out of concern for anything other than retribution. I can understand people feeling like that but once the police were surrounding it and controlling the situation I would have hoped that the emergency services would be left to get on with their jobs and helped as much as possible. There were still people under the car FFS.At that point most people will be assuming it was a deliberate terrorist attack, what do you expect them to do?
He could have started the car again, jumped out with a weapon or detonated a bomb.
It had the hallmarks of a terrorist attack.
Why did he punch? Ever think of that?? The driver was "nudging" people by moving his car when the crowd was not giving him place to move. It means he didn't care if there were kids or not, if it was possible for people to move or not, he was still moving the car. The crowd, shouted to him to stop till anger flared. STILL NO REASON TO DRIVE THROUGH A CROWD WITH KIDS BEING THERE!!!!The person DELIBERATELY punched the car -the mowing down of people may well have been a panicking , frightened driver who had strayed into the wrong area
I think the one positive of so many filming it is that it gives the police a better idea of what happened. Uploading it to social media isn’t the right thing to do though - hand it over to the police FFS!Without commenting on the motivations of the driver, the whole episode reflects very poorly on modern life.
Firstly, whilst security around events like this has been rendered absolutely necessary because cars have been weaponised in recent years, there wouldn’t have been anything like the steps required yesterday in place at United’s parade in 1999, which was a much more innocent time - and notably before 9/11.
Then there’s the reaction of the people on the street to the car. Some of it justifiable and understandable given the horrific weaponisation of motor vehicles at public events in recent years, but some of it sadly representative of a more angry and violent society.
And then there’s dozens of people filming it and uploading it to various platforms. I fear social media and the tentacles of technology are slowly sending us all quite mad.
Absolutely, but if you are concerned of a driver who was very slowly trying to navigate through a crowd, at what point is your solution, I know lets get this guy riled up and kick fuck out of his car. What outcome did they want from taking that action? Mob mentality.Why did he punch? Ever think of that?? The driver was "nudging" people by moving his car when the crowd was not giving him place to move. It means he didn't care if there were kids or not, if it was possible for people to move or not, he was still moving the car. The crowd, shouted to him to stop till anger flared. STILL NO REASON TO DRIVE THROUGH A CROWD WITH KIDS BEING THERE!!!!
Read the news, there were fault on both sides. BUT IN NO WAY JUSTIFIES RUNNING PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY KIDS DOWN! And your concern was who punches a car???!!! Who drives people down??!!! Get your priorities straight bud.
Saw more clips this morning,shows him trying to reverse and bumps someone slowly, they stayed on their feet, which then led to Dippers laying into his car, smashing his rear window and he drove off whilst having his car trashed, then it seems he stopped by the ambulance but more crowds started on his car and he panicked and drove off into the fans probably due to sheet panic.