He purposely veers to his right into the crowd
Roads are sealed by concrete blocks. This has happened in Manchester for decades. It started with the IRA bomb. Water Street is very easy to seal off. No vehicles should have been in there for the previous 24 hours.Ok, I get that well planned markets etc, such as directly outside the town hall in Manchester would be near enough impossible to get a car into, but when you are talking about large parades etc, I would assume most road closures would only be done by signage and cones, possibly some manned by police, some may have large, heavy temporary barriers, but if it was Deansgate, would you be confident if some lunatic wanted to get his car into a crowd of people, they wouldn't be able to?
Not speculating about why he did it, as nobody other than him knows. It isn’t speculation when you can see from multiple videos that the direction of the car changes and heads into a crowd from a position where there weren’t as many people from that point. Only one person had the control of the wheel to be able to do that.I think it would be really good to stop speculating about motivation. It doesn't help anyone.
None of us know why that happened, whether it was deliberate or something else that caused it. We'll get the driver's side of things in court in due course.
Accident? It isn’t accidental to drive your car into a crowd when the initial position of it is in a straight line. He purposely veers to his right into the crowd and doesn’t stop. That isn’t an accident.
There was also the crush outside the away turnstiles on Anfield Road when we played the second leg of the League Cup semi-final in 2012. A combination of some turnstiles failing to work and thousands of City fans arriving at roughly the same time close to kick-off time led to a potentially dangerous situation developing. The reaction of Merseyside police was a disgrace: “You should’ve got here earlier” was a line repeated to several distressed fans, yet the late arrivals were due to a RTA en route from Manchester to Anfield - one which resulted in a fatality IIRC - and that combined with general teatime traffic saw the majority of City fans get delayed. Needless to say, they didn’t delay the kick-off and I and many other fans didn’t get in until nearly half an hour into the match.It looks like another example of Merseyside Police and their incompetence at controlling crowds. They will be in full cover up mode by now. No way a car should be anywhere near that street. There have been multiple problems over the years. I was caught in a terrible crush at the Tall Ships event and the police were hopeless. I hope those kids recover. Shocking but not surprising.
It’s on Dale Street, a one way road, which runs into Water Street where they eventually drove into the crowd - 100 yds maybe. There are lots of tight and narrow side streets that run into Dale Street including NCP type car parks and I’m not sure if all of Dale Street would have been cordoned off, looking at the parade route map, as you could easily navigate through the city around there without meeting the route.All very weird, i don't know Liverpool very well tbh as its a shit hole, but watching some of the footage you can see there are a few cars sat in traffic - where is that location? I specifically remember you couldn't get anywhere near City's parades specifically for this reason, you should be able to walk around with your kids without having any kind of fear of cars. You can see the car at the back of the traffic is either getting hit by fans as they walk past (even though they're inbred scousers, you can see this happening anywhere fans are rowdy and drunk) OR he is trying to get out of traffic and reverses like a dickhead when surrounded by people and that obv goes wrong. But as soon as he does that, all hell (rightly) breaks loose and he gets his window smashed and people want his head - guys lost the plot and will now go to jail. To me it doesn't look pre-planned but could be wrong.
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You're not speculating but then you are?Not speculating about why he did it, as nobody other than him knows. It isn’t speculation when you can see from multiple videos that the direction of the car changes and heads into a crowd from a position where there weren’t as many people from that point. Only one person had the control of the wheel to be able to do that.
That's what it looks like, you also see people opening his door, reaching in and grabbing him so is it out of the question that he's not in control at all nor knows where the car is going, just flooring it in the hope of getting out of trouble? It is impossible ultimately for anyone to speculate as none of us were in that position, someone said before he should have got out and laughed and said sorry, they were smashing his fucking windows in.Accident? It isn’t accidental to drive your car into a crowd when the initial position of it is in a straight line. He purposely veers to his right into the crowd and doesn’t stop. That isn’t an accident.
The police stood and watched fans setting the Liver Building on fire during the illegal COVID party at the seafront. I have been going to Anfield since 1974 and it has always been one of the worst policed stadiums in the country. Too many incidents to mention.There was also the crush outside the away turnstiles on Anfield Road when we played the second leg of the League Cup semi-final in 2012. A combination of some turnstiles failing to work and thousands of City fans arriving at roughly the same time close to kick-off time led to a potentially dangerous situation developing. The reaction of Merseyside police was a disgrace: “You should’ve got here earlier” was a line repeated to several distressed fans, yet the late arrivals were due to a RTA en route from Manchester to Anfield - one which resulted in a fatality IIRC - and that combined with general teatime traffic saw the majority of City fans get delayed. Needless to say, they didn’t delay the kick-off and I and many other fans didn’t get in until nearly half an hour into the match.
About 6 weeks later something very similar happened with the away turnstiles when Everton were the visitors to Anfield.
I'm sorry, but this is just another sweeping statment that somehow every officer who is in the merseyside police is a clone-stick this badge on and repeat the same line..the incident you refer to was 13 years ago-so very few left in the force now for starters. I'd also add that the fatality you allude to would also have been dealt with by the police who wouldve been met with an awful scene and the same police who then had to inform the family of that person..There was also the crush outside the away turnstiles on Anfield Road when we played the second leg of the League Cup semi-final in 2012. A combination of some turnstiles failing to work and thousands of City fans arriving at roughly the same time close to kick-off time led to a potentially dangerous situation developing. The reaction of Merseyside police was a disgrace: “You should’ve got here earlier” was a line repeated to several distressed fans, yet the late arrivals were due to a RTA en route from Manchester to Anfield - one which resulted in a fatality IIRC - and that combined with general teatime traffic saw the majority of City fans get delayed. Needless to say, they didn’t delay the kick-off and I and many other fans didn’t get in until nearly half an hour into the match.
About 6 weeks later something very similar happened with the away turnstiles when Everton were the visitors to Anfield.
And who can blame them? What would be their first thought about what was going on? I know if I was in that situation my instinct, sadly in this world now, would be to tell me this is an attack from someone using their car as a weapon. The crowds instinct is to get the driver out as soon as possible so not to continue the attack they thought was happening.That's what it looks like, you also see people opening his door, reaching in and grabbing him so is it out of the question that he's not in control at all nor knows where the car is going, just flooring it in the hope of getting out of trouble? It is impossible ultimately for anyone to speculate as none of us were in that position, someone said before he should have got out and laughed and said sorry, they were smashing his fucking windows in.
my instinct wouldve been to help the people trapped under the vehicle...And who can blame them? What would be their first thought about what was going on? I know if I was in that situation my instinct, sadly in this world now, would be to tell me this is an attack from someone using their car as a vehicle. The crowds instinct is to get the driver out as soon as possible so not to continue the attack they thought was happening.
Yes, and that.my instinct wouldve been to help the people trapped under the vehicle...
I’m not tarring them all with the same brush mate. Just pointing out that some of the policing that night and the attitude of some officers was a disgraceI'm sorry, but this is just another sweeping statment that somehow every officer who is in the merseyside police is a clone-stick this badge on and repeat the same line..the incident you refer to was 13 years ago-so very few left in the force now for starters. I'd also add that the fatality you allude to would also have been dealt with by the police who wouldve been met with an awful scene and the same police who then had to inform the family of that person..
Mistakes may have been made last night-but at this point nobody outside of those making the decisions will know-from the footage i have seen the police acted bravely and quickly to prevent a public lynching and rushing to the aid of several victims.
but of course mob mentality takes overYes, and that.
may well have been but nothing to do with last nightI’m not tarring them all with the same brush mate. Just pointing out that some of the policing that night and the attitude of some officers was a disgrace
So does the instinct to stop the attack, if their initial instinct is to say that’s what is happening.but of course mob mentality takes over
I never said it wasmay well have been but nothing to do with last night