Incident at Liverpool Title Parade May 26th

[hilts]

Accident? It isn’t accidental to drive your car into a crowd when the initial position of it is in a straight line. He purposely veers to his right into the crowd and doesn’t stop. That isn’t an accident.

We have no idea at that point if he has full control of the vehicle, I've only seen the bit from the bbc this morning with parts blurred so it doesn't show people getting hit. The car seemed to have people around it. We don't know if they are trying to get in and his hands are holding the door or something else.

We cannot say if he veered intentionally or not, people also reported it was travelling fast/mowing down. It didn't look like it was travelling at great speed to me but I haven't seen all the videos by choice. People are jumping to conclusions.

 

[feedmpenzaandhewillscore]

It was blocked off (well, closed at least), the driver drove around a road closed sign.

Tailgating an ambulance apparently, the people attacking his car initially haven’t covered themselves in glory but looks like the driver has made bad decision after decision and deserves everything that will be coming to him.

 

[Hertzblue]

Looking like it’s a case of innocent fans being injured because a few of their feral supporters behaved like absolute dicks, and that includes the driver and the bellends who were attacking his car before it happened. All fanbases have their bad apples but Liverpool do seem to have more than most. As usual it will end up with the whole fanbase playing the victim and far be it from anyone to point out that some of them were complicit in the actions of the lunatic in the car. I hope the injured all make a full recovery and all the twats who were complicit in the events prior to the incident are held to account as well as the driver.

Absolutely spot on. Sadly this is the case once again.
Watch that victim count clock up if someone mentions compo.

 

[i kne albert davy]

It was blocked off (well, closed at least), the driver drove around a road closed sign.

Just listened to a Welsh lady who’d attended the parade, she said that road had been open to traffic all day, we won’t know until after the enquiry but maybe he drove down the road and was suddenly confronted by the crowds leaving tried to reverse back and that’s when it all went wrong. What he did next is inexplicable and inexcusable those pricks kicking fuck out of his car have a case to answer as well and should be getting a knock on the door.

 

[Silva Citizen]

At the very least the fans identified as attacking the car should receive life time bans from Anfield / football.

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

It’s the aftermath of that which I can’t get my head round, nor will I be accepting any kind of excuses for. That video that shows the initial burst of acceleration, sending about 10 people flying would be a reaction of someone scared for their life, but to then carry on, and actually turn into a space crowded with people, well that isn’t the action of being scared. Each time I see it, it just gets worse and worse.

Agreed.

IMO everyone involved - from the useless incompetent policing and planning, to the baying mob of idiots, to the idiot behind the wheel - comes out of this some share of the blame.

People are unpredictable when scared, fuck knows what was going through his head.

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

Why on earth are you watching this repeatedly?

It can't be good for you. Put the screen away or look at the Springwatch live feed instead? Seriously.

Filming from the Peak District!

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

At the very least the fans identified as attacking the car should receive life time bans from Anfield / football.

Surely banning them from Stamford Bridge would be a better punishment?

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

Looking like it’s a case of innocent fans being injured because a few of their feral supporters behaved like absolute dicks, and that includes the driver and the bellends who were attacking his car before it happened. All fanbases have their bad apples but Liverpool do seem to have more than most. As usual it will end up with the whole fanbase playing the victim and far be it for anyone to point out that some of them were complicit in the actions of the lunatic in the car. I hope the injured all make a full recovery and all the twats who were complicit in the events prior to the incident are held to account as well as the driver.

I stand with those who have been injured by the maniac behind the wheel, but I don't stand with those who would have been in that parade and wrecked out coach.

 

[BringBackSwales]

I stand with those who have been injured by the maniac behind the wheel, but I don't stand with those who would have been in that parade and wrecked out coach.

The same sort who smash fuck out of a car with the knowledge that they are amongst thousands and aren’t going to cop for it. Hopefully they are all brought to justice if they are found to have contributed to this situation

 

[BringBackSwales]

Because the driver of the car may have been acting impatiently and recklessly ,putting the lives of people walking in front of the car in danger.

MAY is the appropriate word, we don’t know and they probably didn’t know.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

The same sort who smash fuck out of a car with the knowledge that they are amongst thousands and aren’t going to cop for it. Hopefully they are all brought to justice if they are found to have contributed to this situation

Murkyside Plod will carry out a three month investigation followed by no arrests. Sounds quite similar to another three month investigation that resulted in no arrests.

 

[thegoatsthegoat]

Drivers have a duty to ensure the safety of everyone around them and unless he gave a warning he was about to reverse she would have been unable to know he was about to make that manoeuvre and he didn’t have clear visibility all round in any case. He was being impatient and attempting to force his way through. However I was more referring to the second reverse manoeuvre which is even more daft considering the first one nearly knocked people over.

Well that shifts a touch doesn't it when you are on an apparent open road yet hundreds/thousands of people are blocking you. He was seen to be beeping to indicate for people to part and form a path for him and the car in front. He has a duty of care, as does pedestrians as I mentioned before, I walk into a road now and get hit, that fault lies with me. He isn't blameless, he will deal with the consequences and in line with the law. The second reverse is obviously more forceful and reckless, but off the back of thugs punching his windows.

 

[BlueHammer85]

MAY is the appropriate word, we don’t know and they probably didn’t know.

Yep, but as thick as they were they didn’t look like they were punching and kicking the car for a laugh, they clearly felt the driver was being a bit reckless and impatient from what I can see.

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

The same sort who smash fuck out of a car with the knowledge that they are amongst thousands and aren’t going to cop for it. Hopefully they are all brought to justice if they are found to have contributed to this situation

Same mentality as the mob handed cunts who took part in the riots last year

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Ok, I get that well planned markets etc, such as directly outside the town hall in Manchester would be near enough impossible to get a car into, but when you are talking about large parades etc, I would assume most road closures would only be done by signage and cones, possibly some manned by police, some may have large, heavy temporary barriers, but if it was Deansgate, would you be confident if some lunatic wanted to get his car into a crowd of people, they wouldn't be able to?

Yes, if it was managed correctly. Actually spoke to someone who is responsible for organising events like this at another English city today as I rang him for a catch up and he said to me that this was a catastrophic failing on behalf of the authorities given the location.

He listed a load of technical measures that need to be in place for an event like this including in relation to car parks, hard barriers and slightly more mobile barriers such as bin wagons in order to provide a mechanism to let authorised vehicles such as ambulances in and out with strict specific protocols around those particular vehicles in terms of keys etc…

He felt that if there were any fatalities then gross negligence manslaughter charges of public officials might be appropriate.

The car should simply not have been there at that time.

 

[thegoatsthegoat]

Yep, but as thick as they were they didn’t look like they were punching and kicking the car for a laugh, they clearly felt the driver was being a bit reckless and impatient from what I can see.

And the answer is to smash the car windows, punch the car, cause damage, open the door, try to drag him out, that was all before anybody was run over, just because he was impatient?

The worst it gets before his head loss is a slight nudge when reversing, slowly onto someone walking behind his car without looking. That resulted in the guy with the bag to lose his head too, which resulted in the driver to react awfully.

 

[BringBackSwales]

Yep, but as thick as they were they didn’t look like they were punching and kicking the car for a laugh, they clearly felt the driver was being a bit reckless and impatient from what I can see.

You mean like our coach, crawling at 2 mph smashed to fuck. Or our supporters coaches getting smashed to fuck the day we impeccably observed the Hillsborough 25 year anniversary. Neither of those involved reckless driving. So basically you are (a) speculating and (b) incorrect in your assumption that liverpool fans only attack reckless and impatient drivers

 

[thegoatsthegoat]

Jumping to a few conclusions there - wise to remember who the victims are and that it wasn't their fault.

They are obviously who anybody should be feeling sorry for, they have been caught up in what looks like, police/authorities failing in managing the roads, an impatient driver, and thug like fellow supporters who added fuel to the fire.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

It does bear comparison to the coach incident I think, as I thought at the time that had the coach driver panicked, he could have swerved into the crowd. Fortunately he didn't.

I agree it’s not crass to draw comparisons, although the two scenarios are not identical.

If people are going to try and damage a moving vehicle with objects then there are avoidable consequences that can flow from that. Ridiculous to suggest otherwise.