Rayan Cherki

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I never said that, my opinion is that the media treatment Raheem got was tinged with racism compared to what his white colleagues got.

And it isn’t hard to believe a similar thing goes on in France like the other poster said.

Imagine Sterling was going out boozing all the time like Grealish, he’d have been crucified.
Even if the above were true, and there is no evidence provided that it is, it wont prove that the criticism of a particular player is due to racism. Racism can exist and the criticism of a player can yet be due to the actions of the player

Its a silly cop out to pretend any criticism of someone is due to their 'identity'. Did Rayan Ait Nouri get the same reputation? He too is North African and played in France. How about Riyad Mahrez? How about the 100s of other North African players who played in France but did not get that reputation?

Why not those North Africans? Did the racist French miss those players heritage? Forgot they were of North African descent?

Not to say that thos particular criticism couldn't be somewhat due to some generalized negative view of North Africans, but it could also be specific to the player himself.

So an attempt to dismiss claims of having discipline issues shouldn't be waved of on the account of some generalized antipathy towards X people.

Its lazy
 
Hello there, I am a Lyon supporter. Just signed in to share some insight about Cherki as I could read the usual concerns about him, which are, to be frank, quite unfounded.

The main problem with Cherki comes from the fact that he had been announced as the next big thing very early on. When he was 14 years old, he played against players sometimes 3 to 4 years older than him, and he would still bossing them on the pitch, the gulf in talent being immense. He attracted interest from the biggest teams of the time, notably Real Madrid, which forced the then owner, Aulas, to give him a big contract as soon as legally authorized (the day of his 16th birthday) with the promise to be included to the first team. That's how he made his debut with the pros so young... and he rapidly showed how good he was during a cup tie in Nantes in which he scored 2 goals and delivered 2 assists.

But it was somehow too easy too fast. This game remained his best professional performance for years. Skipping the usual learning path for young players didn't teach him how to not rely solely on his technical skills on the pitch. He lacked that sense of team work and the constant commitment to find the most efficient solution even if it is not a flashy one. He is a baller, he loves it so this was what he was doing week in week out, showboating. But he was quickly found out. He could take on anyone but would be easily tracked back as he was always going to make the one touch too much. The quality was obvious but the end product barely existant. And as he is no natural sprinter and never had to prove himself on the dirty work, the combo made him look lazy and arrogant.

The negotiations for contract renewals have always been tight ones. The club couldn't afford to let him go for free, and his entourage used it as a leverage to get insane wages in regard of his actual contribution. Two years ago, in the midst of a very bumpy transition at the club, he changed his agents to be represented by the Mbappé family. Those are the people the new owner, Textor, referred to in very derogatory terms. Cherki now ditched (hopefully) the Mbappés, and I have no doubt the transfer will not be complicated.

But overall, he is a good character, very grounded, with a good education from his family. I very often sees that he is from Northern African heritage, which is true on his mother side (Algeria). But his father is from Italian ascent, and he played a very important part in Cherki's career. Rayan is quick-witted and sharp-tongue, and quite a leader for his young age. He sometimes appears very irritable on the pitch, but he seems a good teammate, he was very active for the send-offs of club legends Lopes and Lacazette.

This said, in all honesty, last year at the same period, I was certain his career would be a very disappointing one considering his natural talent. Even if he was only 20 years old, the fact that he had been around for 4 years without real consistency and long-term improvements in his decision making, I came to the conclusion he'd never sort things out. How wrong I was! What he did this season is really impressive, not only talent wise, but mentally. For him to be able to focus and be as sharp and as fit as possible despite all the pressure and the burden of the child star syndrome he suffered from, it is really remarkable. He's not only a great ball player but has strong mental resources. This point makes me confident that he is ready for the challenge in a top club in a top league.

He will have to learn to have less time on the ball, it might take a little time, but he will do it. In all honesty, I reckon that Guardiola would be a good and patient coach to let him settle in the Premier League.

Thank you for taking time to give us so much useful Information on Cherki’s Back story.
 
I have my reservations with Cherki but it is a bargain price and he is still young enough to develop further.
 
Even if the above were true, and there is no evidence provided that it is, it wont prove that the criticism of a particular player is due to racism. Racism can exist and the criticism of a player can yet be due to the actions of the player

Its a silly cop out to pretend any criticism of someone is due to their 'identity'. Did Rayan Ait Nouri get the same reputation? He too is North African and played in France. How about Riyad Mahrez? How about the 100s of other North African players who played in France but did not get that reputation?

Why not those North Africans? Did the racist French miss those players heritage? Forgot they were of North African descent?

Not to say that thos particular criticism couldn't be somewhat due to some generalized negative view of North Africans, but it could also be specific to the player himself.

So an attempt to dismiss claims of having discipline issues shouldn't be waved of on the account of some generalized antipathy towards X people.

Its lazy
If you think the Daily Mails persecution of Raheem when he played for City didn’t have overtones of racism against Raheem and the owners of who he played for then I am surprised
 
Unfortunately the comparisons between him and Wirtz will be inevitable and continue throughout the season.

Here is my simple take, from the eye test and stats from fbref:
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I think both are good finishers (exceeding xG), and while these stats are comparable, I think taking into account the season prior, I'd give Wirtz the edge as the better goal scorer, not by a huge amount though.

In terms of chance creating, Cherki has the clear edge here. He is basically an alien of a creator, and I think while neither of them are KdB like in terms of most of their creating coming from passing (and volume wise prime KdB is incomparable as a creator), they both create through more ways including dribbling.

They both also have comparable pass%, and for being the main creators in their team, that's actually quite good for both.

The main knock against Cherki now comes from defensive contributions, and you can see Wirtz has the clear advantage here, and in a Pep system you can see why Wirtz is probably the better fit for that reason.

Cherki will simply have to adapt a bit, run, press and fight a bit more than he is doing. Not loads more, just a bit more, because like Kdb, we have to build slightly around him because his qualities are too good.
I guess the £100m or so price difference means we’d be doing well out of this comparison, should he come to us?
 
I guess the too expensive PR job on Wirtz could actually have an element of truth if the 2nd option is so much cheaper. Although I still reckon he just chose no to come.

Gives us so much more room to manoeuvre in strengthening other areas.
 
Unfortunately the comparisons between him and Wirtz will be inevitable and continue throughout the season.

Here is my simple take, from the eye test and stats from fbref:
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I think both are good finishers (exceeding xG), and while these stats are comparable, I think taking into account the season prior, I'd give Wirtz the edge as the better goal scorer, not by a huge amount though.

In terms of chance creating, Cherki has the clear edge here. He is basically an alien of a creator, and I think while neither of them are KdB like in terms of most of their creating coming from passing (and volume wise prime KdB is incomparable as a creator), they both create through more ways including dribbling.

They both also have comparable pass%, and for being the main creators in their team, that's actually quite good for both.

The main knock against Cherki now comes from defensive contributions, and you can see Wirtz has the clear advantage here, and in a Pep system you can see why Wirtz is probably the better fit for that reason.

Cherki will simply have to adapt a bit, run, press and fight a bit more than he is doing. Not loads more, just a bit more, because like Kdb, we have to build slightly around him because his qualities are too good.
The difference in price is massive

The difference with the pressure being on Wirtz to succeed is also massive
 
Even if the above were true, and there is no evidence provided that it is, it wont prove that the criticism of a particular player is due to racism. Racism can exist and the criticism of a player can yet be due to the actions of the player

Its a silly cop out to pretend any criticism of someone is due to their 'identity'. Did Rayan Ait Nouri get the same reputation? He too is North African and played in France. How about Riyad Mahrez? How about the 100s of other North African players who played in France but did not get that reputation?

Why not those North Africans? Did the racist French miss those players heritage? Forgot they were of North African descent?

Not to say that thos particular criticism couldn't be somewhat due to some generalized negative view of North Africans, but it could also be specific to the player himself.

So an attempt to dismiss claims of having discipline issues shouldn't be waved of on the account of some generalized antipathy towards X people.

Its lazy
You're right that players will typically be criticised for their actions, and if a player is whiter than white (pardon the pun), then their race will be irrelevant. But it's also definitely true that players from certain backgrounds will be more likely to be negatively criticised for actions that would be water under the bridge for others. And that's exactly what Raheem Sterling pointed out.

On social media, it's even worse. You knew the second that Saka missed that penalty against Italy, he wasn't just going to get criticism for missing it, he was going to get racial abuse. I've seen the same watching Sterling play for England, having to call someone out in the pub for being a racist **** when he missed a chance.
 
I guess the too expensive PR job on Wirtz could actually have an element of truth if the 2nd option is so much cheaper. Although I still reckon he just chose no to come.
And also it's only relevant if the 2nd option turns out to be just as good. Otherwise it's like us pulling out of the Hazard deal to buy Scott Sinclair all over again.
 
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