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FogBlueInSanFran said:
I suppose the next question is "Why not?"
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I’d hypothesise Trump isn’t politically aligned with them and that’s how he operates.

I’m not a US citizen so ultimately it doesn’t matter, but I still think that any individual who drives a motorcycle at people is a dangerous lunatic and I’d rather they were off the streets.
 


A demonstration to protect immigration rights was peaceful until the president went over the governor’s head and brought in the national guard who tear gassed the crowds, who then retaliated. The governor is not happy and is standing up to president. They are still patrolling the streets, something is burning it’s a really sad times in America
 
MeatnSpudsMCFC said:
I’d hypothesise Trump isn’t politically aligned with them and that’s how he operates.

I’m not a US citizen so ultimately it doesn’t matter, but I still think that any individual who drives a motorcycle at people is a dangerous lunatic and I’d rather they were off the streets.
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In fairness it was a mostly peaceful riot.
 
Kirkstall Blue said:


A demonstration to protect immigration rights was peaceful until the president went over the governor’s head and brought in the national guard who tear gassed the crowds, who then retaliated. The governor is not happy and is standing up to president. They are still patrolling the streets, something is burning it’s a really sad times in America
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There you go. Mostly peaceful riot fighting for the Rights of law breakers to continue to break the law.
 
Drewmanc said:
Playing devils advocate here - what are the issues playing out at present in the US? I'm guessing ICE have gone into California to round up illegal immigrants who shouldn't be in the states as they're there illegally. Residents of said state don't want their colleagues/friends/families arrested (although possibly there illegally) and have taken offence to the way it's being done and rioted? To which the US government has sent the national guard in as a response to qwell and discourage further violence which has led to more violence etc
What are the US government supposed to do to when public unrest is evident on the streets? What's the end goal of the riots? Why burn parts of your own city and destroy it to try and prove a point? What if there are LOADS of illegals the US have arrested in this operation - they have broken a law and should be held accountable for breaking such laws.
Was sending the national guard in inflammatory or was the situation getting out of hand?
A lot of people want to bash Trump (i see why - he's a ****) but if i turn this around and make it in the UK and say London/Birmingham/Manchester had a clamp down on illegal immigrants and our version of ICE was trying to carry out orders from above like in California whose side would you be on? I for one would be allowing them to do their jobs - not rioting and causing a scene.
Not one post on here has said that the violence perpetrated by the public of California is wrong - why is that? Is people's dislike of the US or Trump or the law that bad that they think this is acceptable?
Again I'm playing devils advocate but rioting and destroying your own city whilst attacking people just doing the jobs they're paid for and have been asked to do ie the police/national guard/ICE etc seems ridiculous to me.
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This is a Los Angeles problem, and then if they can’t deal with it with help from local law enforcement, LAPD requests National Guard help FROM THE GOVERNOR.

Trump, Miller, Noem & Hegseth are all balls deep into the autocratic dictatorship play of using the military. Therefore, Trump gave a FEDERAL ORDER for the National Guard to intercede, knowing full well that troops on the streets with M-16s was likely to create significant friction in immigrant communities.

Seeing it worked, he has now called for 700 U.S. Marines to be sent to L.A.

The U.S. Military is not legally allowed to “police” in the U.S., which is why Trump has been using the language he has been using, which lays the groundwork for the inevitable lawsuit to remove them.

It’s not a new playbook. It was used in the 30s in Germany and has been used in Hungary.

When Trump was asked whether he had to uphold The Constitution (to which he swore an oath at his inauguration!), he literally said, on TV, for the world to see, “I don’t know!”

It’s a 3rd grader question and is the basis of his power, but then he thinks it’s a rough outline to which he can add some dictatorial flourish!
 
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Dax777 said:
There you go. Mostly peaceful riot fighting for the Rights of law breakers to continue to break the law.
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It's still not National Guard or Marine levels of trouble. A few cars ablaze on a small stretch of road and some isolated incidents here and there isn't worthy of such actions.
Trump is at risk of making a martyr out of Newsome, a strange path to follow because it was the Democrats making a martyr out of Trump that got him his 2nd term.
 
Kirkstall Blue said:


A demonstration to protect immigration rights was peaceful until the president went over the governor’s head and brought in the national guard who tear gassed the crowds, who then retaliated. The governor is not happy and is standing up to president. They are still patrolling the streets, something is burning it’s a really sad times in America
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LA and CA are already fucked off with Trump after the way he treated them during and after the wildfires. The Trump administration have been deliberately provocative in targeting the area they did, and they knew full well a small amount of provocation would potentially have the desired effect. They got exactly what they were looking for.

There's the odd fucking loon on here who will no doubt amplify these small pockets of violence and use them as a stick to beat people with. The reality of it is is that the President has pulled out all the stops to engineer this huge and unnecessary situation in order to fuel hatred and division even further so that he can justify the use of military force against the civilian population.

Strange that when he actually should have deployed the military to quash the violent assault on the Capitol buildings, he sat back and did nothing for 187 minutes whilst watching it unfold on TV, then made a half-arsed statement which was too little and too late.
 
At some point, Trump's aggressive use of the military/National Guard to police domestic protests is, IMO, going to inevitably lead to another "Four dead in Ohio" incident" - it's just a matter of time.

What was the Four Dead in Ohio Incident?: https://www.kent.edu/may-4-historical-accuracy#:~:text=On May 4, 1970, members,colleges and universities to close.
Protesters are almost going to certainly die under Trump's reign.

It's an open question, however, how deaths of protesters resonate with Trump voters. It's virtually certain that Fox et. all will conconcat a narrative that the protesters were violent and deserved what they got.

It's not clear to me how Republican voters will respond to this.

For those wondering about the reference to "four dead in Ohio"
 
"US Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. on Monday announced he was dismissing all members of a key federal vaccine advisory panel, accusing its members of conflicts of interest -- his latest salvo against the nation's immunization policies.

The decision to remove all 17 experts of the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) was unveiled in a Wall Street Journal op-ed and an official press release."
AFP

While it's hardly a surprise that some have links to Big Pharma, removing them all at the same time is dumb as a rock, where the rock is called RFK Jr.
 
Watched this last night.
If she’s correct in her summation of the backing from religious and secular sectors it really is depicting a bleak future.
America does seem to be hunkering down.
Unable to compete at top dog level into the future, have they decided on perpetual war?
 
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