Florian Wirtz

Bluewonder said:
Yes, this is net spend since FY16.

Gross spend is £1.32bn since FY16.

This is per the club's financial statements, not the lies they disseminate via the press.
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Could you post it here?

It is so hard to discuss about us with other fans.
 
Sebi said:
Could you post it here?

It is so hard to discuss about us with other fans.
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It's information taken from the accounts which are available here:

THE LIVERPOOL FOOTBALL CLUB AND ATHLETIC GROUNDS LIMITED filing history - Find and update company information - GOV.UK

THE LIVERPOOL FOOTBALL CLUB AND ATHLETIC GROUNDS LIMITED - Free company information from Companies House including registered office address, filing history, accounts, annual return, officers, charges, business activity
find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk

You'll see their gross spend in note 9 as an addition in the registrations column (£194.5m in FY24, for instance)

Obviously, FY25 accounts aren't available yet so I've added on their recent purchases to get to the £800m net number, but the actual fees are probably a bit higher than they've disclosed to the media again.
 
Coatigan said:
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Those guys always find the bargain deals.
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I was disappointed when we dropped out of the Wirtz bidding but maybe we had good reason;

www.football365.com

Liverpool wasting money on Wirtz when quarter-price Cherki is better

Man City may have bought the better player for about a quarter of the price.
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I am already excited for next year with the new signings especially Cherki, and an actual real live full-back plus a new assistant manager who can hopefully challenge/push Pep as well as a new set-piece coach.

That would be exciting on it's own, but then I remember that on top of this we also have the best midfielder in the World to come back

Would it be too much to hope that Phil Foden also rediscovers his Player of the Year form from season before last?
 
Eebo said:
I was disappointed when we dropped out of the Wirtz bidding but maybe we had good reason;

www.football365.com

Liverpool wasting money on Wirtz when quarter-price Cherki is better

Man City may have bought the better player for about a quarter of the price.
www.football365.com www.football365.com

I am already excited for next year with the new signings especially Cherki, and an actual real live full-back plus a new assistant manager who can hopefully challenge/push Pep as well as a new set-piece coach.

That would be exciting on it's own, but then I remember that on top of this we also have the best midfielder in the World to come back

Would it be too much to hope that Phil Foden also rediscovers his Player of the Year form from season before last?
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When I heard we'd pulled out, at first I thought it was just the usual face-saving PR clubs (especially united) do when they've been "snubbed". The more I look at the figures being bandied about and the dance liverpool are involved in, the more I tend to believe we had an initial sniff, heard the demands, and said "no thanks, good luck".
 
Newman Noggs said:
When I heard we'd pulled out, at first I thought it was just the usual face-saving PR clubs (especially united) do when they've been "snubbed". The more I look at the figures being bandied about and the dance liverpool are involved in, the more I tend to believe we had an initial sniff, heard the demands, and said "no thanks, good luck".
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Wouldn't be the first time. Harry Maguire and Declan Rice are two that spring to mind.

I'm not interesting in those statistical comparisons. Different leagues, different systems, not really comparable, even if you accept stats as the best way to compare players. Wirtz is obviously the more accomplished player at the moment, but that doesn't mean that he will turn out to be better. And even if he does, it doesn't mean a lot if buying him means you can't strengthen the whole squad.

The perfect situation now after Liverpool fans getting all giddy is for them to have to pull out of the Wirtz deal too only for him to end up somewhere like Madrid or Munich.
 
Newman Noggs said:
When I heard we'd pulled out, at first I thought it was just the usual face-saving PR clubs (especially united) do when they've been "snubbed". The more I look at the figures being bandied about and the dance liverpool are involved in, the more I tend to believe we had an initial sniff, heard the demands, and said "no thanks, good luck".
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The club have extensively planned their squad re-build. We've had a group of names, with first and second choices and we've moved quickly. The money involved in securing Wirtz is staggering. To sign three players for less than he's rumoured to cost is the correct decision considering the issues in the squad. Wirtz is better and more consistent than Cherki but the money we've paid for him makes it a no-brainer to choose him instead.

I don't think City usually care about saving face. But in this instance I do believe that whilst Wirtz may have decided against joining us it was quite likely because we weren't going to pay him what he wanted. There was a Wirtz shaped hole in our team with De Bruyne's departure, I don't feel like he would choose the dippers over us for footballing reasons. I don't really care at this point, because we're in a much better place having got the players we did and so quickly.

Wirtz dragging on and on wouldn't have done us any good either and the club probably saw that coming so also felt it best to target others.
 
Looking forward to him being named "£126m man Florian Wirtz" for the next several years.

Stats tell the story but you don't need stats to know he's a really good player and he's been tested and done well at CL and International level whereas Cherki hasn't done that consistently yet.

That said that fee brings a new pressure and the immediate comparison with Cherki at only 1/4 of the fee won't help.

It was the same with Darwin Nunez and Haaland, with them all getting giddy that he would be the better signing after the Community Shield game at Leicester.
 
Bluewonder said:
It's information taken from the accounts which are available here:

THE LIVERPOOL FOOTBALL CLUB AND ATHLETIC GROUNDS LIMITED filing history - Find and update company information - GOV.UK

THE LIVERPOOL FOOTBALL CLUB AND ATHLETIC GROUNDS LIMITED - Free company information from Companies House including registered office address, filing history, accounts, annual return, officers, charges, business activity
find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk

You'll see their gross spend in note 9 as an addition in the registrations column (£194.5m in FY24, for instance)

Obviously, FY25 accounts aren't available yet so I've added on their recent purchases to get to the £800m net number, but the actual fees are probably a bit higher than they've disclosed to the media again.
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I follow the further discussion, where a user explains the motives of Sheikh Mansour and the owner of Liverpool:

The Sheikh of Manchester City, more precisely the Abu Dhabi United Group, is investing so much money in the club because he wants to build Manchester City as a kind of "brand" that is recognized worldwide. It's not just about soccer, but also about the recognition and influence the club can bring to the United Arab Emirates. The UAE is using sport to expand its influence globally. It's not just about soccer, but also about the cultural and political influence they can exert through successful sports teams.
In the past, the UAE has repeatedly drawn criticism in relation to human rights, workers' rights or its role in geopolitical conflicts. By buying a major soccer club and focusing on sporting success, they are trying to present a positive image of themselves and distract from the negative headlines.
The attention that an international club like Manchester City attracts can also put other areas of the country in a positive light - such as tourism, the economy or culture. Sporting success distracts the world's attention from the less attractive aspects.

John Henry bought Liverpool FC in 2010 to stabilize the club financially and make it one of the best and most valuable clubs in the world in the long term. Henry wanted to take Liverpool to a new level both financially and in sporting terms, similar to what he had achieved with the Red Sox.
In contrast to City, he was even regularly criticized for investing too little in the club. Infrastructure projects were not pushed forward as quickly as desired and there was hardly any additional investment on his part in the sporting area. Some critics claim that Henry and FSG focus too much on economic aspects and see sporting success more as a means to an end. The club's high debt burden (especially during the takeover) and the financing structure have been met with concern. There are fears that the focus on maximizing profits could potentially jeopardize long-term stability and sporting success.

Maybe I should open a new thread for this?
 
I'm With Stupid said:
The perfect situation now after Liverpool fans getting all giddy is for them to have to pull out of the Wirtz deal too only for him to end up somewhere like Madrid or Munich.
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Couldn't give a shit about that.
What I do give a shit about is us bringing in 3 players for the money being thrown around for Wirtz.
The 3 we've got have the potential to improve us dramatically on last season.
Nail a RB now and it'll be a good window, move on the right players for decent funds - it'll be a fantastic window
 
Centurions said:
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Hope it is correct with the thread name:

forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk

Motives Sheik Mansour - motives Henry Liverpool

I followed a discussion, where a user explains the motives of Sheikh Mansour and the owner of Liverpool: The Sheikh of Manchester City, more precisely the Abu Dhabi United Group, is investing so much money in the club because he wants to build Manchester City as a kind of "brand" that is...
forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk
 
Bluewonder said:
Yes, this is net spend since FY16.

Gross spend is £1.32bn since FY16.

This is per the club's financial statements, not the lies they disseminate via the press.
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The club’s financial statements?
Everyone knows that even though they have been scrutinised and signed off by bona fide auditors they’re still dodgy.

What’s that you say? That only applies to one club?
 
Newman Noggs said:
When I heard we'd pulled out, at first I thought it was just the usual face-saving PR clubs (especially united) do when they've been "snubbed". The more I look at the figures being bandied about and the dance liverpool are involved in, the more I tend to believe we had an initial sniff, heard the demands, and said "no thanks, good luck".
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That’s exactly what happened. I don’t know why everyone keeps saying he rejected us.

Why would he and his parents flown over to Manchester to tell us he wasn’t interested in us?
 
Cityfan1977 said:
City was always his first pick, like they said on 9320 you dont come over and talk to the club if you are not going to sign.
Something happened in his visit to City, I think City got cold feet ,could be the fee, could be his attetute, mabey he wants to be the main man , remember Sane he wanted to be the top dog in Germany. I think thats why he talked to Liverpool, the problem with Wirtz snd Liverpool is Salah he is and will be the too dog. And at City there is no top dog while Pep is here.
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Pep is the Top dog
 
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