Tino Livramento

Maverick; said:
£80m jesus christ! Good defender but doesn't do enough going forward to justify that. Plays both flanks and HG so he'd be a very good player to have if you ignore the fee. Maybe the attack can go down the left and he can tuck in.
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The way I see it, if someone said we were getting Cherki, Reijnders, Ait-Nouri and Livramento for £190m, I doubt anyone would bat an eyelid. But because we've got such good deals on the other three, paying £80m for the other one seems like a huge rip off. I can't see us going that high tbh given how we've pulled out of things like Rice and Wirtz because of the fee. Unless it's accompanied by them paying a substantial fee for one of our players (like £80m for Livramento, with Grealish going the other way for £40m, kinda like the Cancelo-Danilo deal). I reckon they'd rather sell an overseas player to bring someone cheaper in tbh and then do the homegrown thing with someone like Wharton next season instead when a few midfield spaces open up.
 
Apologies if this has already been discussed..
I read an article today suggesting that this lad is predominantly a left back. He’s not another ‘jack of all trades’ is he?
I really thought we were looking for a specialist right back, as we did when we signed Walker..
 
TheBlueCat said:
Apologies if this has already been discussed..
I read an article today suggesting that this lad is predominantly a left back. He’s not another ‘jack of all trades’ is he?
I really thought we were looking for a specialist right back, as we did when we signed Walker..
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He’s predominantly a right back, so whoever wrote the article has had a nightmare and got this one completely wrong!

He’s filled in at LB for Newcastle, but the overwhelming majority of his games at both National and Club level have been on the right.
 
Tevez City said:
Not sure if the huge fee is justified
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I also don’t really see it - in over 100 premier league games he has 4 G/A . His attacking output is really low and a lot of that has been playing in a pretty attacking Newcastle side. Defensively he looks solid enough but nothing remarkable at all.
 
Just seen that Craig Hope who is the Newcastle journalist saying that Newcastle aren’t prepared to sell Livramento this summer so I hope we don’t hang around for weeks hoping it changes when it seems it isn’t!
 
Tevez City said:
Not sure if the huge fee is justified
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I’m not sure what the point of this comparison is - or the choice of comparators you’ve made - beyond the fact they’re all right backs, obviously.

You’re comparing Livramento with Hakimi, who is the best right back in the world at the moment.

He would command a colossal fee this summer - way beyond the figures being talked about for Livramento - even if PSG could be convinced to sell him, which they won’t.

I would expect any RB playing the game to look less talented next to him right now.

He’s 26, and has just reached his peak.

Aina is 28, and has had a great spell at Forest. That said, he’ll be 29 in a couple of months, and is likely to start losing some of his capacity over the next few years.

He’d be a stop gap who could do a job for a couple of seasons, nothing more.

Nunes is an interesting comparison, but he isn’t a right back - which is why we’re in the market for a replacement.

These players are either at their peak already, or in the case of Aina probably looking at the start of their decline.

Livramento is 22, and hasn’t even made an appearance for his National team yet.

He’s all potential, and we’d be buying him not because of what he is now - but what we believe he can be with the right training.

He’s not Hakimi yet, and he may never be.

But he’s the only one in your list who I wouldn’t expect to see performing at their best just yet.

So it’s a bit of a pointless comparison.

Compare him to other 22 year old homegrown RBs (which are the factors that make him uniquely attractive to us), and I’d imagine he’ll be show up best out there.

And that’s the evaluation we’re making here - not whether he’s as good as Hakimi right now.
 
youngbob said:
Got laughed at for posting this a few weeks ago. Turns out it's been the case all along. Who knew?
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Has he said this mate?

Gutted if he has, as he feels like the final piece of the jigsaw for Pep’s next record breaking team.

Was always going to be a tough one, to be fair, as Newcastle have no reason to sell - so it was going to need the player to push it.

Either way, I back us for walking away now if that’s the situation, and not letting this drag out all summer.

Onto the next one!
 
JWCH-99 said:
I also don’t really see it - in over 100 premier league games he has 4 G/A . His attacking output is really low and a lot of that has been playing in a pretty attacking Newcastle side. Defensively he looks solid enough but nothing remarkable at all.
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That’s because he plays and would be bought to play a more inverted full back role, which apparently he’s very good has the intelligence to play very well, supporting the front players and is always back in position when attackers lose possession. If we buy him it will be a reverse of previous teams and Ait Nouri on the left will be the attacking full back.
IF we bought him his role would be defending and joining in the midfield with Rodri when Reijnders goes forward.
Almost like the club know what kind of players they are interested in. The above isn’t my opinion by the way I’ve hardly seen him play, it’s the opinion of 3 Newcastle season ticket holders, to quote them ,’he’s a perfect Pep player,’ the full quote though says we can’t have him. We’ll see.
 


Totally agree to this tweet. Just like Bruno G this is gonna take all summer and probably won’t succeed either.

Would only add that City should do all of their due diligence during this club World Cup and get Wesley or Aina as soon as possible. No point waiting till August and then scrambling for Nunes or Lewis to play right back. The future of these two players are also up in the air.
 
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