Middle East Conflict | Netanyahu orders strikes on Gaza (p1161)

[Chak19]

I think the points you make are all valid, but don’t change my view on the overwhelming undesirability of a theocratic death cult regime possessing nuclear weapons, which is presumably, based on what you have posted, not a view you share.

I would feel exactly the same about it being in the hands of US Evangelists.

I think there is a greater risk of a religious leader using a nuclear weapon for theological reasons than a political leader using it for strategic reasons. It looks like you don’t.

You may be correct, but I don’t think it’s worth the risk fwiw.

Oh I don't want them to have it but I also don't want Israel to continue having them, something needs to be done about their nukes, and the current Israeli government is as religiously nuts as it gets, and quite frankly there is more and more evidence that Netanyahu will do anything to stay out of jail, and he thinks that the unlimited US support will cover for him so I have serious doubts about his rationality.

Also you might want to check out the "Samson option".https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option

 

[Alvin-blue-qhd]

Religion has become an effective tool for the CIA. When the CIA wants to undermine you, if you are a religious regime, they will say people have the freedom not to believe in religion—you've violated human rights. If you are a secular regime, the CIA will say people must have the freedom to believe in religion—you've violated human rights again. In short, it's always decided by the Americans. When they need you to carry out their dirty work, you're a freedom fighter of the free world; when they no longer need you, you become a terrorist!

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Well tbf any country whose state religion is one ot the Abrihamic ones is technically in danger of that.

Though only 6% of all human conflicts in history were religous 99% of all wars that are, is ususally because of religious zealots and normally the ones following said Sky Fairy

Same god(possibly imanginary) different versions.

Israel and Irans present leaders, makes no difference same god, different cunts using it as an justification to murder, destroy, opress civilins and steal land

Again, I agree with much of what you post here, other than the fact that Netanyahu could not be described as a religious leader, as much as Putin is not.

The distinction I draw is with people who use a book written centuries ago as a political manifesto, especially when that book has been interpreted to value death over life. I don’t believe Netanyahu thinks that way. The leaders of Iran do and they plainly exercise control over military decisions.

I think nuclear weapons in the hands of religious zealots greatly increase the likelihood of their use.

 

[BlueTG]

The common theme with Hamas, Nezam and Likud is that they are all in power is because the relevant religious groups allow them to be. The politics of Israel are as intertwined with religion as they are in Iran. They are all theocratic regimes some with no choice, others with the illusion of choice. On the whole, just like people throughout the rest of the world, the average Israeli, Palestinian or Iranian just wants to live peacefully.

Some people in the UK have the view that the population should rise up and demand change, but thats easy to say when you live in a country that has never had a revolution or isnt in a continual state of conflict.

Hamas are also in power as people like Netanyahu supported their rise to power to meet their political agenda.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Oh I don't want them them to have it but I also don't want Israel to continue having them, something needs to be done about their nukes, and the current Israeli government is as religiously nuts as it gets, and quite frankly there is more and more evidence that Netanyahu will do anything to stay out of jail, and he thinks that the unlimited US support will cover for him so I have serious doubts about his rationality.

Also you might want to check out the "Samson option".https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option

Looked it it yesterday. And I’ve not said Israel having nukes is a good thing.

And I completely disagree what you say about the Israeli government being as religiously nuts as it gets. There are strands of that, I accept, but it doesn’t define the group think, which is rooted in the protection and expansion of the Jewish state, which is principally a secular project, albeit one with manifestly unwarranted and undesirable consequences.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

Again, I agree with much of what you post here, other than the fact that Netanyahu could not be described as a religious leader, as much as Putin is not.

The distinction I draw is with people who use a book written centuries ago as a political manifesto, especially when that book has been interpreted to value death over life. I don’t believe Netanyahu thinks that way. The leaders of Iran do and they plainly exercise control over military decisions.

I think nuclear weapons in the hands of religious zealots greatly increase the likelihood of their use.

You’ve just described Zionism, whether it be Jewish or Christian.

 

[Postman Pep]

These folk watch to much western news channels full of propaganda bollocks.

With rare moments of clarity.

 

[urban genie]

Again, I agree with much of what you post here, other than the fact that Netanyahu could not be described as a religious leader, as much as Putin is not.

The distinction I draw is with people who use a book written centuries ago as a political manifesto, especially when that book has been interpreted to value death over life. I don’t believe Netanyahu thinks that way.

I think nuclear weapons in the hands of religious zealots greatly increase the likelihood of their use.

He uses the Torah as justification many a time for his land grabs and murder of civilians, he picks and chooses and though the nation of Israel isn't zionist, the government of Likud is revisionist z and as such love to use the biblical claim of eretz yisrael to jjstify their actions.

A man who uses religion as a stategic tool is as dangerous as i e who uses it through conviction.

Both countrys deserve better leaders and both should have nukes (tbf no one should)

 

[urban genie]

Mor eto the point cunts like Modi and Eregon need to keep out of it

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

He uses the Torah as justification many a time for his land grabs and murder of civilians, he picks and chooses and though the nation of Israel isn't zionist, the government of Likud is revisionist z and as such love to use the biblical claim of eretz yisrael to jjstify their actions.

A man who uses religion as a stategic tool is as dangerous as i e who uses it through conviction.

Both countrys deserve better leaders and both should have nukes (tbf no one should)

All fair points, but there’s a distinction between deployment of a religious text for political and military ends and actually believing what is written in that book. I see the latter as far more dangerous because decisions are not founded upon strategic reality but rather simply what is written down in a fucking book.

Based on my observations I would say that there is a clear distinction between the leaders of Iran and Israel in that regard. Others may disagree. It’s perfectly valid to do so.

And I agree that both countries deserve better leaders. Two truly appalling regimes.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

You’ve just described Zionism, whether it be Jewish or Christian.

I believe Zionism to be more political than religious.

 

[Chak19]

Looked it it yesterday. And I’ve not said Israel having nukes is a good thing.

And I completely disagree what you say about the Israeli government being as religiously nuts as it gets. There are strands of that, I accept, but it doesn’t define the group think, which is rooted in the protection and expansion of the Jewish state, which is principally a secular project, albeit one with manifestly unwarranted and undesirable consequences.

the current government is mostly made up of religious nuts like Ben Gvir and Smotrich and other parties, without them Netanyahu would fall.

 

[robbieh]

Netanyahu like Trump is a narcissist. He's also 75 so he knows his days are numbered.

It wouldn't surprise me if he decided to go out in a blaze of glory. He'll want to go down as the Israeli leader who destroyed all the surrounding countries so that in 2000 years Jewish people talk about him in the same breath as Moses.

Sadly for him, this will fail and he'll be remembered by the majority of the world as a war criminal version of Silvio Berlusconi.

 

[The blue phantom]

Mor eto the point cunts like Modri and Eregon need to keep out of it

Tbf I'd have no problem with Erdoğans air force shooting down Israeli missiles slaughtering Palestinians kids. He's still a **** though. I guess there's different levels of pure Evil.

The Israeli Regime and Russian one take some beating currently. Although Netanyahu has sailed past putin.

 

[The blue phantom]

Amazing that the IDF are letting international journalist roam around these israli cities that are currently being bombed. Surely they should be thinking of their safety?

 

[Chak19]

Mor eto the point cunts like Modri and Eregon need to keep out of it

Is Modri the love child of Modric and Rodri ?

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

I believe Zionism to be more political than religious.

Both the Christian and Jewish elements behind the notion of an Israeli state believe in the second coming and
/or the Rapture.
You see the settlers in Israel quoting their God given right to the land. They justify every heinous action with text from a man written book from over three thousand years ago.

I’m not defending what Iran is all about, but Israel is set up as a Jewish state.
I appreciate Judaism and Jewishness is not the same thing, but Muslim state/Jewish state? Same racist concept in my book.

 

[urban genie]

Tbf I'd have no problem with Erdoğans air force shooting down Israeli missiles slaughtering Palestinians kids. He's still a **** though. I guess there's different levels of pure Evil.

The Israeli Regime and Russian one take some beating currently. Although Netanyahu has sailed past putin.

Getting involved in Iran/Israel.

continuing to shoot down missiles aimed at the medieranian coast to protect lives I am all in favour of

 

[inbetween]

Again, I agree with much of what you post here, other than the fact that Netanyahu could not be described as a religious leader, as much as Putin is not.

The distinction I draw is with people who use a book written centuries ago as a political manifesto, especially when that book has been interpreted to value death over life. I don’t believe Netanyahu thinks that way. The leaders of Iran do and they plainly exercise control over military decisions.

I think nuclear weapons in the hands of religious zealots greatly increase the likelihood of their use.

I actually don't think that this is about religion. It's about nationalism and certainly nationalistic protectionism given the vast majority of countries in the region do not believe that Israel should exist. The Israeli and Iranian regimes just represent a more extreme example of attacking or defending against the idea of Israel's existence. The other Arab states aren't really interested in this conflict or the Palestinian issue because it's not in their interest.

Are Israel bombing Muslims specifically in Iran? No, they're bombing Iran and its anti-Israel regime. Iran are doing the same in return, they aren't targetting Jews, they're targetting Israeli's. Israel is also bombing the Palestinians as part of a long nationalistic land grab. It's fairly similar to Russia and Ukraine really.

This is of course not new because it has happened throughout human history. We can talk of Christianity and Jesus for example but who was Jesus executed by and where? What were the Romans of Italy doing in Jerusalem?

That is yet another example of colonial and nationalistic empire building, today that sort of empire building isn't really possible due to military weaponry so it's done instead via proxies and economics. Notice religion is never really mentioned, religion is just used as a tool to further nationalistic goals.

 

[Postman Pep]