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WT86 said:
It's odd you're suggesting people need perspective while suggesting a left-wing bombing killing 20 is realistic. That's never happened before in American history.
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Some rando (me) speculating on Blue Moan (and positing a hypothetical) about the possibility of some "left-winger" lobbing a bomb

- inspired by actual and under-reported terrorism in the 60s &70s...under reported the way Israel murdering American sailors on the USS Liberty is under-reported -

is equivalent to hundreds of years combined (US / UK) of actual, verified, social-political violence directed against this group or that bunch or those people or that faction or that class etc. This incident is small potatoes by comparison. People need to stop trying to out-Trump Trump acting as if everything is the worst ever, the best ever, unprecedented, unheard of and so on. So yeah, people need to get some perspective. I'm already living in a world were the slightest criticism (telling the truth) of Israel is met with "Are you an anti-Semite" or "Why don't you think Israel has a right to exist?"...and wow...the increasingly desperate attempt to wall-off criticism by invoking the holocaust, well fuck that because not only the race card but the holocaust card are maxed out and have been declined.

Do you recall the political violence of Tim McVeigh? The politically-motivated assassination of 5 Dallas police offers in 2016? Imagine that. 5 police officers murdered for political reasons, the second-deadliest targeted attack of U.S. law enforcement officers in history and what do we get?

*crickets*
 
BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
The parade tanked.
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A parade of lies too in Trump's speech. US soldiers never surrender...

“Time and again, America’s enemies have learned that if you threaten the American people, our soldiers are coming for you,” he said. “Your defeat will be certain, your demise will be final, and your downfall will be total and complete.”

Korea? Vietnam? Afghanistan?
 
Vic said:
I have family members in the States who said that in 2016 - afraid of what he'd do if he wasn't elected.
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In 2016? With all due respect, your family member is lying or let's be kinder, hallucinating.. Lol.

In 2016, everyone thought he didn't stand a chance. Probably himself included.

Anyway, no one votes for someone they dont like to avert some protests/riots. No matter who wins, the other side always protests. In a sense its often part of their mobilization strategy for the next election.
 
Dax777 said:
In 2016? With all due respect, your family member is lying or let's be kinder, hallucinating.. Lol.

In 2016, everyone thought he didn't stand a chance. Probably himself included.

Anyway, no one votes for someone they dont like to avert some protests/riots. No matter who wins, the other side always protests. In a sense its often part of their mobilization strategy for the next election.
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You'll have to take my word for the first bit.

But plainly Trump was using fear of stuff to get people to vote for him.

"In 2017 a research study from PRRI and The Atlantic showed that fear of societal change, not economic pressure, motivated votes for the president and you can be sure that his team hasn’t forgotten this. According to this study fears about cultural displacement motivated the white working-class voter to support Trump."
 
Vic said:
You'll have to take my word for the first bit.

But plainly Trump was using fear of stuff to get people to vote for him.

"In 2017 a research study from PRRI and The Atlantic showed that fear of societal change, not economic pressure, motivated votes for the president and you can be sure that his team hasn’t forgotten this. According to this study fears about cultural displacement motivated the white working-class voter to support Trump."
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Link was interesting read
 
The wife of Minnesota shooter Vance Luther Boelter, Jenny Boelter, has reportedly been detained and is currently being questioned by authorities. During a traffic stop near Onamia, Minnesota, on the morning of Saturday, June 14, police found a weapon, ammunition, cash and multiple passports in her vehicle. According to local outlet KTSP, several of her relatives were also present in the car at the time.

According to the report, two police cruisers remained at the scene for approximately two to three hours. Although Jenny was detained for questioning, she was not placed under arrest.

www.timesnownews.com

Who Is Jenny Boelter? Minnesota Shooter Vance Boelter's Wife Detained With Weapons, Ammunition During Traffic Stop

Authorities have detained Jenny Boelter, the wife of Minnesota shooter Vance Luther Boelter, for questioning after a traffic stop revealed a weapon, ammunition, cash and several passports in her vehicle. , US News News - Times Now
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Onamia is north of the Twin Cities on Highway 169, so Jenny Boulter apparently was heading for northern Minnesota and possibly Canada. The search for Vance Boelter, meanwhile, has expanded to South Dakota.

www.powerlineblog.com

Boelter’s Wife Apprehended | Power Line

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There's no death penalty in Minnesota. I don't want to twist things, or see things twisted just to "get him", but I wonder if there may be a Federal statute that might apply to this crime. It's clearly a politically-motivated crime directed at a senior elected representative of a state that attacks the very foundation of a republican form of government, it's not some drunk liberal guy at a late-night Dennys knocking the red cap off some mouthy Maga's head.

Is this behavior terroristic? It's hard enough getting quality volunteers in life to serve as law makers.

www.mediaite.com

Amy Klobuchar Pays Tribute to Slain Minnesota Lawmaker in Emotional Interview: ‘Loved By Democrats and Republicans’

Appearing on NBC’s Meet the Press, Klobuchar praised Hortman, who was assasinated Saturday, as a "true public servant" and an "extraordinary leader,"
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Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-MN) on Sunday paid an emotional tribute to former Minnesota House Speaker Melissa Hortman, who was shot and killed Saturday alongside her husband in what authorities are calling a politically motivated attack.

Appearing on NBC’s Meet the Press, Klobuchar praised Hortman as a “true public servant” and “extraordinary leader,” describing her longtime friend as a devoted mother and community volunteer.

“She was loved by Democrats and Republicans,” Klobuchar told anchor Kristen Welker. “This is a woman who taught Sunday School, led Girl Scouts, and still knocked on every door in her district.”

The senator added:

And maybe all that juggling made it easier for her as she worked her way up in the legislature and became this extraordinary Speaker of the House, ushering in everything from preschool lunch to working with the governor and other leaders to do some landmark legislation on paid family leave. To this year working with her Republican counterpart, when we pretty much had a tied legislature, to get the budget done. That’s Melissa Hortman, my friend. And when you think about political violence and the statistics of political violence, you’ve got to realize the people who are behind it, and a true public servant that we lost.
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