Grooming gang scandal

[Hertzblue]

But its not realistic, and being cynical was me being incredible generous and polite.

Claiming that the coast guard want to show off and social workers want to sweep the raping of children under the carpet is actually incredibly offensive. It leads me to believe you have basically no knowledge at all of these industries and the challenges that they face. A Facebook educated poster, essentially.

My problem with this issue is that I have a sneaking suspicion that very few people actually give a fuck about it. Every time it comes up, you've got one side saying DEPORT BROWN PEOPLE and another side saying DENY REALITY OR YOU'RE A RACIST. Ok fine, thats certainly one battlefront of the culture war that people can take on.

Me, I dont really give a fuck if the grooming gangs are full of Pakistani men or white men or space men. The ethnicity holds absolutely zero importance to me. What I want to do is solve the problem and stop kids getting raped and abused. By anyone, with any "cultural background". I think we should try to actually solve the problem of child abuse rather than pointlessly and endlessly discuss the racial politics of it.

And when I say I have a sneaking suspicion others aren't really that bothered about it, the fact that all they want to do is talk about ethnicity or political parties or whatever instead of focusing on actually helping the kids makes me thing this is just climate change or trans rights or Chagos Island or some other wedge issue for partisans to kick around to say how the other side is actually really evil. There's no focus on the actual kids, and the solution.

I understand your objection to the politicisation of the sexual abuse of children. It does appear unseemly. However at risk of repeating myself..
It is not a 'scandal" that some of the perpetrators or a lot of the perpetrators were Pakistani or Muslim or whatever grouping you choose.
The "scandal" is that the law was not applied evenly to perpetrators of certain ethnicities for fear of arising racial / community tension and that the victims were denied the protection of the state for the same reason.
That is a political decision, there is no escaping that. The enquiry will hopefully pullback the curtain on who exactly drove such decisions but I think we already know from previous enquiries that in the main it was politicians and agents representing the Progressive Left and the Labour Party, motivated by misplaced devotion to the idea of multiculturalism, concern for community tension and in the case of the Labour Party, fear of losing the muslim vote.
The Left politicised the sexual abuse of children by Pakistani grooming gangs and cynically smothered any protest or attempt at disclosing the truth with cries of Racism. Should anyone doubt that just look how the Labour Party besmirched the character of two their own MPs, Ann Cryer and Sarah Champion for speaking the truth about Pakistani grooming gangs in their constituencies. Both left in fear of their lives due to the actions of their own party leadership for telling the truth on this issue.

The Left would like us to stop talking about Pakistani grooming gangs and their role in enabling them.
Baroness Casey has rendered the race card ineffective for them on this issue.
The other defence was that there was no need for a further enquiry, Far right bandwagon etc - That's gone to.
Last resort, - the Right is politicising the issue and don't care about the victims - Hopefully that will keep everyone quiet for a while longer and we on the left don't have to face into our culpability.

So I am not buying the stop talking about it you don't care about the victims line or any other line.
The time for not talking about this for any reason has long gone.
This will I believe, when the truth is know, be one of the most disgraceful episodes in our modern history, one that shames all of us, surely the ideology that got us there should be called out and humiliated ,not allowed to hide its responsibility and disgrace.




Essentially the lives of young vulnerable girls, many under the age of consent , children as Baroness Casey points out were sacrificed for the sake of the reputation of multi -culturalism.

 

[johnnytapia]

I agree with the above post by Damocles.

I also suspect that most people don't care that much, sadly. It's just another political football.

I care massively. I’ve worked my bollocks off trying to protect some of the most vulnerable kids in society. I’ve seen social workers doing their utmost to keep kids safe. And I’ve seen the system smash social workers to bits - mentally, emotionally. And we reap what we sow.

 

[BrianW]

I care massively. I’ve worked my bollocks off trying to protect some of the most vulnerable kids in society. I’ve seen social workers doing their utmost to keep kids safe. And I’ve seen the system smash social workers to bits - mentally, emotionally. And we reap what we sow.

You are an exception. If people in general truly cared, they would be demanding more resources for social and youth work, even if it meant paying higher taxes. They might even be demanding more effective safeguarding of children in general, even if it meant intrusion into 'family life'.

I see no evidence of that at all. Just a lot of inchoate anger about one particular group of criminals who apparently 'get away' with their crimes. And not even recognition of how widespread the problem is. Much of the anger is merely a political ploy, nothing more.

 

[hilts]

Islam was founded 600 years after Christianity .... if you turn the clocks back 5 / 600 years what was Christianity doing ? Burning witches , Inquisition , Crusades and Religious wars ....... not much difference in the time line.

That is possibly the most desperate post ever written on Bluemoon, surely a wind up.

If you're a female Muslim put down the broom for a few years.

 

[hilts]

I understand your objection to the politicisation of the sexual abuse of children. It does appear unseemly. However at risk of repeating myself..
It is not a 'scandal" that some of the perpetrators or a lot of the perpetrators were Pakistani or Muslim or whatever grouping you choose.
The "scandal" is that the law was not applied evenly to perpetrators of certain ethnicities for fear of arising racial / community tension and that the victims were denied the protection of the state for the same reason.
That is a political decision, there is no escaping that. The enquiry will hopefully pullback the curtain on who exactly drove such decisions but I think we already know from previous enquiries that in the main it was politicians and agents representing the Progressive Left and the Labour Party, motivated by misplaced devotion to the idea of multiculturalism, concern for community tension and in the case of the Labour Party, fear of losing the muslim vote.
The Left politicised the sexual abuse of children by Pakistani grooming gangs and cynically smothered any protest or attempt at disclosing the truth with cries of Racism. Should anyone doubt that just look how the Labour Party besmirched the character of two their own MPs, Ann Cryer and Sarah Champion for speaking the truth about Pakistani grooming gangs in their constituencies. Both left in fear of their lives due to the actions of their own party leadership for telling the truth on this issue.

The Left would like us to stop talking about Pakistani grooming gangs and their role in enabling them.
Baroness Casey has rendered the race card ineffective for them on this issue.
The other defence was that there was no need for a further enquiry, Far right bandwagon etc - That's gone to.
Last resort, - the Right is politicising the issue and don't care about the victims - Hopefully that will keep everyone quiet for a while longer and we on the left don't have to face into our culpability.

So I am not buying the stop talking about it you don't care about the victims line or any other line.
The time for not talking about this for any reason has long gone.
This will I believe, when the truth is know, be one of the most disgraceful episodes in our modern history, one that shames all of us, surely the ideology that got us there should be called out and humiliated ,not allowed to hide its responsibility and disgrace.




Essentially the lives of young vulnerable girls, many under the age of consent , children as Baroness Casey points out were sacrificed for the sake of the reputation of multi -culturalism.

It may sink in eventually but I doubt it

 

[hilts]

Don't really know what the capital letters are all about yes there's a problem with grooming gangs, the also appears to be a worryingly large problem with people of Pakistani origin grooming that has been ignored for far to long with the usual implication that if you dare mention it makes you instantly racist. Nobody should be above the law which should come down hard on ANYONE abusing vulnerable young children and girls its unacceptable.

He has highlighted the words he feels posters are more concerned about ie the capital letters for Pakistani is calling that group racist in effect. Whereas the capitals in grooming gang shows the nice caring group:-) The third group.are those he thinks don't care about raped kids ermmmm.....

Unfortunately he missed out grooming gangs THAT MAY HAVE BEEN TREATED DIFFERENTLY

He just isn't as smart as he thinks he is because no matter how many times someone posts it he doesn't seem to get it.

 

[BobKowalski]

He has highlighted the words he feels posters are more concerned about ie the capital letters for Pakistani is calling that group racist in effect. Whereas the capitals in grooming gang shows the nice caring group:-) The third group.are those he thinks don't care about raped kids ermmmm.....

Unfortunately he missed out grooming gangs THAT MAY HAVE BEEN TREATED DIFFERENTLY

He just isn't as smart as he thinks he is because no matter how many times someone posts it he doesn't seem to get it.

Are you saying this thread is primarily concerned that some grooming gangs were treated differently?

In which case I agree. This thread is primarily concerned that some grooming gangs were treated differently. It is this aspect that is constantly repeated in post after post from certain posters.

 

[Roachy]

I understand your objection to the politicisation of the sexual abuse of children. It does appear unseemly. However at risk of repeating myself..
It is not a 'scandal" that some of the perpetrators or a lot of the perpetrators were Pakistani or Muslim or whatever grouping you choose.
The "scandal" is that the law was not applied evenly to perpetrators of certain ethnicities for fear of arising racial / community tension and that the victims were denied the protection of the state for the same reason.
That is a political decision, there is no escaping that. The enquiry will hopefully pullback the curtain on who exactly drove such decisions but I think we already know from previous enquiries that in the main it was politicians and agents representing the Progressive Left and the Labour Party, motivated by misplaced devotion to the idea of multiculturalism, concern for community tension and in the case of the Labour Party, fear of losing the muslim vote.
The Left politicised the sexual abuse of children by Pakistani grooming gangs and cynically smothered any protest or attempt at disclosing the truth with cries of Racism. Should anyone doubt that just look how the Labour Party besmirched the character of two their own MPs, Ann Cryer and Sarah Champion for speaking the truth about Pakistani grooming gangs in their constituencies. Both left in fear of their lives due to the actions of their own party leadership for telling the truth on this issue.

The Left would like us to stop talking about Pakistani grooming gangs and their role in enabling them.
Baroness Casey has rendered the race card ineffective for them on this issue.
The other defence was that there was no need for a further enquiry, Far right bandwagon etc - That's gone to.
Last resort, - the Right is politicising the issue and don't care about the victims - Hopefully that will keep everyone quiet for a while longer and we on the left don't have to face into our culpability.

So I am not buying the stop talking about it you don't care about the victims line or any other line.
The time for not talking about this for any reason has long gone.
This will I believe, when the truth is know, be one of the most disgraceful episodes in our modern history, one that shames all of us, surely the ideology that got us there should be called out and humiliated ,not allowed to hide its responsibility and disgrace.




Essentially the lives of young vulnerable girls, many under the age of consent , children as Baroness Casey points out were sacrificed for the sake of the reputation of multi -culturalism.

So many good points and probably broadly sums up so many aspects of this awful episode. I do have a slight issue though. I saw a similar point that you've stated in a headline the other day, and that's this idea we should all be ashamed. I have no words to describe my revulsion at the perpetrators of these crimes, likewise for my sympathy for the victims. The shame lies with those that knew or suspected these crimes were or had been committed, and turned a blind eye. Councils, police, social services amongst others carry the shame.

 

[hilts]

Are you saying this thread is primarily concerned that some grooming gangs were treated differently?

In which case I agree. This thread is primarily concerned that some grooming gangs were treated differently. It is this aspect that is constantly repeated in post after post from certain posters.

Posts tend to if people ignore it, there are certain posters who do repeat things endlessly though, some day in day out year in year out.

I could name them if you like

 

[BobKowalski]

Posts tend to if people ignore it, there are certain posters who do repeat things endlessly though, some day in day out year in year out.

I could name them if you like

They were being ignored? Did I imagine the various and often interesting responses to their posts? Well, that is a worry!

They should repeat themselves more often then, although I would suggest they acquaint themselves with the original report and its recommendations, as one strident poster was blissfully unaware of what it said. As we all know, proceeding in ignorance has led to the country as a whole coming unstuck in recent times.

Let’s not make that mistake again!

 

[Hertzblue]

Are you saying this thread is primarily concerned that some grooming gangs were treated differently?

In which case I agree. This thread is primarily concerned that some grooming gangs were treated differently. It is this aspect that is constantly repeated in post after post from certain posters.

Is it getting tedious Bob ?
But is it as tedious as " what about white grooming gangs ?, " No need for an enquiry, we have already had an enquiry"
or the new favourite " you don't really care about the victims just scoring political points" ?
I think we have a long way to go to match that level of repetition.
Didn't notice you complaining about that though.

 

[Hertzblue]

Posts tend to if people ignore it, there are certain posters who do repeat things endlessly though, some day in day out year in year out.

I could name them if you like

Please Hilts No lol

 

[Hertzblue]

So many good points and probably broadly sums up so many aspects of this awful episode. I do have a slight issue though. I saw a similar point that you've stated in a headline the other day, and that's this idea we should all be ashamed. I have no words to describe my revulsion at the perpetrators of these crimes, likewise for my sympathy for the victims. The shame lies with those that knew or suspected these crimes were or had been committed, and turned a blind eye. Councils, police, social services amongst others carry the shame.

You are right, the shame does primarily lie with those culpable but I honestly I do feel ashamed myself, I think we all should to a degree. This thing is truly horrendous and whilst there has been no evidence of grooming gangs in my area that I am aware of and I have been detached in that respect, I have read about these gangs when they have been caught, I have read about the cover ups in the local enquiries - what have I done ? Nothing. Vented some anger at the time and then let it slip off the radar. Shameful really.

 

[hilts]

They were being ignored? Did I imagine the various and often interesting responses to their posts? Well, that is a worry!

They should repeat themselves more often then, although I would suggest they acquaint themselves with the original report and its recommendations, as one strident poster was blissfully unaware of what it said. As we all know, proceeding in ignorance has led to the country as a whole coming unstuck in recent times.

Let’s not make that mistake again!

Yes, You did imagine them fella:-)

 

[Roachy]

You are right, the shame does primarily lie with those culpable but I honestly I do feel ashamed myself, I think we all should to a degree. This thing is truly horrendous and whilst there has been no evidence of grooming gangs in my area that I am aware of and I have been detached in that respect, I have read about these gangs when they have been caught, I have read about the cover ups in the local enquiries - what have I done ? Nothing. Vented some anger at the time and then let it slip off the radar. Shameful really.

I understand where you're coming from, and also the language you're using. It is a thoroughly shameful episode and angry doesn't come close to describing my feelings on this. I think we all wish or feel that we could or should have done something. However, look at the inertia and resistance to act from those that were duty bound to intervene, that is the real scandal.The needs of the victims are primary and I hope they receive some sense of justice along the way.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Seems like some of the coppers had good reason to not investigate or to tell the girls nobody would believe them.

Women abused as children by Rotherham gangs say police also sexually assaulted them​

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn9y0lvpyqvo

Hopefully all the guilty men will all be held to account and they’ll all rot together.

 

[Hertzblue]

Seems like some of the coppers had good reason to not investigate or to tell the girls nobody would believe them.

Women abused as children by Rotherham gangs say police also sexually assaulted them​

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn9y0lvpyqvo

Hopefully all the guilty men will all be held to account and they’ll all rot together.

Great to see that maybe these girls now feel safe to come forward at last.
If these police offers are found guilty life inside for them will be as miserable as it gets - deservedly so.

 

[The Northern Baptist]

The Rotherham PC Hassan Ali who was mowed down and killed….yeah that’s now looking like a lot more than a tragic accident. That is someone being silenced permanently.

 

[KS55]

Why is this force still investigating itself? Ridiculous.

 

[crazyadi]

people on the left, really do have a warped sense of reality. Mods on here shouldnt be banning people for stating the truth. They should be banning the delusional wet blankets for not having enough brain cells to have a discussion without using the words "you're racist".

Pathetic uneducated morons.