Tino Livramento

It is what it is. Most rate Livramento as the best young English RB at the moment. He ticks almost every box we require, so I think it best we take a long-term view of him, as we did with Gvardiol.

No player is guaranteed to succeed. Every transfer come with risk. Fortunately for us, Gvardiol has worked out well so far, & in years to come, the £80m spent will be seen as a snip.

We need Livramento & we need to clear the decks with the perpetually injured, elderly & those who're now deemed surplus to requirements. Once we get fees in for who we can, & consider the wages saved, we should have more than enough funds & squad space to secure not just Livramento, but MGW too.
Or it will be seen as Phillips or Grealish type of situation. We were told the same thing about Jack that there was not another player better. With Kalvin it was him and Rice that were the standout players.

If the price is to steep we shoud wait. There are other HG players with high potential or stop gap options like Aina.
 
True Jim but in a market place where top RB’s that are attainable are at a minimum, let alone homegrown and at an age he can improve and possibly be with us 10 years then the club will possibly view say £75m is a good long term investment? If we aren’t doing MGW either abd have saved money from not doing Wirtz then it maybe the one to push the trigger on. @tolmie's hairdoo said weeks ago that if we signed him that Livramento would be our most expensive signing this summer as well
I hope you're right, I really do.
 
Fuck that, it's the most critical area we need a player in. Nunes has improved there, Lewis is shocking in there. We need a least one top quality right back and the only way to do that is by throwing money at it
Livarmento doesn't quite fit that bill. He is more valuable to Newcastle and they would make it doubly difficult for us to sign him. It is down to if there is an opportunity to sign one during the summer then do so but it is not the worst situation we stick with Nunes for the season but still scout around to find a suitable target.
 
Or it will be seen as Phillips or Grealish type of situation. We were told the same thing about Jack that there was not another player better. With Kalvin it was him and Rice that were the standout players.

If the price is to steep we shoud wait. There are other HG players with high potential or stop gap options like Aina.
We need to make a decision quick then as Aina is about to sign a new contract with Forest
 
Livarmento doesn't quite fit that bill. He is more valuable to Newcastle and they would make it doubly difficult for us to sign him. It is down to if there is an opportunity to sign one during the summer then do so but it is not the worst situation we stick with Nunes for the season but still scout around to find a suitable target.
I agree. Nunes was improving match by match and I just don't think Newcastle would sell him. It would be a PR disaster for them irrespective of the money.
 
Or it will be seen as Phillips or Grealish type of situation. We were told the same thing about Jack that there was not another player better. With Kalvin it was him and Rice that were the standout players.

If the price is to steep we shoud wait. There are other HG players with high potential or stop gap options like Aina.
Aina is 29. He'd be a stopgap at best, & then we'd be in a similar position in 2-3 years as ole father time catches up with him. Livramento would be a 10 year investment, at £8m plus wages per season. We'd be nuts not to see the benefit of a move for this player.

It's not like we haven't saved the money from sales & no major splurges in recent season's. Sometimes it's best to do what needs to be done & think long-term, instead of what players like Livramento & MGW may cost today.

As you've correctly alluded to say, there's no guarantees with any player acquisition. BUT if we were to think like this, we'd be so risk averse, we'd never buy anyone.

We need to be ruthless & clear the decks with the old guard, & clear a path for the next generation. As I've said previously, I've no issue with us taking a step backward next season to bed in our new recruits so they can gel, with a view to them being ready for an all out 4 title assault in 2025/26.
 
Which would be a waste of time - Pep seems unlikely to stay after the current extension.
TBH, I'm past the point of caring anymore. I never thought I'd be saying this, but when we entered the bi-annual "Will he. Won't he" situation with Pep last season, it seriously pissed me off. It's draining & the threat of him leaving every two seasons is wearing thin.

My take is, if Pep has had his hand forced to rebuild our squad, he'll definitely want to stay to see the latest iteration of his team throught to it's fullest fruition.

The clearout of his trusted backroom staff & the clearout of his trusted players, suggests to me the changes we've seen have been taken out of his hands.

Viana won't want to be seen as a failure, because of Pep's stubbornness to evolve our squad. Hugo will want to be seen as a worthy successor to Txiki, but that won't happen if Pep continues to prioritise Stones, Gundog, Kovacic etc over the likes of Reis, Khusanov, Echeverri, Cherki & Bobb etc.

We've the perfect reason to tear apart what worked for us previously, & rebuild it from scratch with our focus on the future. We only have to look at Old Toilet in 2012/13 to see where clinging on to ageing an band in the hope of them banging out one last hit tune, will get us. Nowhere!
 
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TBH, I'm past the point of caring anymore. I never thought I'd be saying this, but when we entered the bi-annual "Will he. Won't he" situation with Pep last season, it seriously pissed me off. It's draining & the threat of him leaving every two seasons is wearing thin.

My take is, if Pep has had his hand forced to rebuild our squad, he'll definitely want to stay to see the latest iteration of his team throught to it's fullest fruition.

The clearout of his trusted backroom staff & the clearout of his trusted players, suggests to me the changes we've seen have been taken out of his hands.

Viana won't want to be seen as a failure, because of Pep's stubbornness to evolve our squad. Hugo will want to be seen as a worthy successor to Txiki, but that won't happen if Pep continues to prioritise Stones, Gundog, Kovacic etc over the likes of Reis, Khusanov, Echeverri, Cherki & Bobb etc.

We've the perfect reason to tear apart what worked for us previously, & rebuild it from scratch with our focus on the future. We only have to look at Old Toilet in 2012/13 to see where clinging on to ageing an band in the hope of them banging out one last hit tune, will get us. Nowhere!
I like all points you made today! 100% true. Still think we need MGW for pace in midfield and at least 2 of Kovacic / Gundogan and Bernardo gone.
The perfect move would be to sell 2 CB and 2 CM for 2 HG players in MGW and Livramento.
Next session the club can look at Wharton if Gonzalez flops.

The fact that people insist on experience when the same experience barely helped us since they were injured or completely out of form is troublesome.
 
I like all points you made today! 100% true. Still think we need MGW for pace in midfield and at least 2 of Kovacic / Gundogan and Bernardo gone.
The perfect move would be to sell 2 CB and 2 CM for 2 HG players in MGW and Livramento.
Next session the club can look at Wharton if Gonzalez flops.

The fact that people insist on experience when the same experience barely helped us since they were injured or completely out of form is troublesome.
Including KDB, there are 8 players coming to the end of their contracts, or who have no future here who we can feasibly jettison this summer. This doesn't include a number of older EDS players who it's deemed won't make it here.

The nominal fees brought in & the wages saved for them alone would allow us to vastly reduce the squad & buy Livramento & MGW.

HOWEVER, if we're to make a serious assault on every competition we play in, I'd still prefer us to have a bigger squad & to adequately rotate & rest players throughout the gruelling season ahead.

If as Pep keeps complaining, players are being asked to play too much, his small squad philosophy makes little sense when added to the increased physicality of today's game.

The FA, PL, UEFA & FIFA keep increasing the amount of games players are made to perform in, but yet they put limitations on squad sizes. Pep doesn't like to utilise the squad size to the extent that we're allowed, but he can't have it both ways with his preferred small squad playing more games.

Agreed, there's no substitute for experience, however, that experience is of little use to us if those players spend the majority of the season in the treatment room.

As we saw last season, it did very little to help us, as we scraped finishing a disappointing 3rd, so in respect to succession planning, in for a penny, in for a pound. Let's make the necessary changes this summer & spend next season gelling the new, younger more vibrant squad together.

You never know, we may just win something along the way to being a more coherent squad for 2026/27.
 
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Livarmento doesn't quite fit that bill. He is more valuable to Newcastle and they would make it doubly difficult for us to sign him. It is down to if there is an opportunity to sign one during the summer then do so but it is not the worst situation we stick with Nunes for the season but still scout around to find a suitable target.
We can’t mate as against against top sides will get smashed and they will aim to expose him . We have finally got a left back in so let’s not go down that path again because we will regret it if we don’t .
 

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