Tino Livramento

Blue Since 76 said:
Fair enough. The last four I'd agree with, price aside.

If Livramento is our first choice RB for the next 10 years, as he could be with his age, he'd be worth every penny. I'm just not sure he's an upgrade on what we've got, let alone a replacement for what we had.
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What if he isn't. What id he's development stagnates. People pretend the more money we pay guarantees improvement.

Whether a player improves or develop is unrelated to how much you pay. Personally, I find Martim Fernandez more appealing. But I'd rather have both develop 1 more year to see which one makes the next step.

If Livramento is going to cost 70 million, weit for him to actually prove he is the best TB first, yhen we can pay the 70 million.

But 70 million for a prospect?? No!
 
As I said before. We simply can't go into the season without a specialist right back. Going into the season with "do a job" players won't win you a title. I like Nunes, but he's the type of player who fills in for your right back when he's injured or the type of player who's brought on to provide attacking threat if we are losing/drawing a game. When we had players like Delph and Zinchenko we had much stronger spines and better central defenders. We can't carry that burden this season.

If Newcastle want 70 million, we have to cough up or get to the table and negotiate.
 
Jocks Y-Fronts said:
Go all in for Hakimi
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Why would Hakimi come here? PSG have a lot more going for them than we do at the moment. Even if we were to offer higher wages, PSG wouldn't have a problem matching that for one of their best players.

Only team he's leaving PSG for is Real.
 
Berti No Show said:
As I said before. We simply can't go into the season without a specialist right back. Going into the season with "do a job" players won't win you a title. I like Nunes, but he's the type of player who fills in for your right back when he's injured or the type of player who's brought on to provide attacking threat if we are losing/drawing a game. When we had players like Delph and Zinchenko we had much stronger spines and better central defenders. We can't carry that burden this season.

If Newcastle want 70 million, we have to cough up or get to the table and negotiate.
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There are alternatives to Livamento.
 
Berti No Show said:
As I said before. We simply can't go into the season without a specialist right back. Going into the season with "do a job" players won't win you a title. I like Nunes, but he's the type of player who fills in for your right back when he's injured or the type of player who's brought on to provide attacking threat if we are losing/drawing a game. When we had players like Delph and Zinchenko we had much stronger spines and better central defenders. We can't carry that burden this season.

If Newcastle want 70 million, we have to cough up or get to the table and negotiate.
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Correct. We’re going into another season without a specialist left back. We at least need one proper fullback at the club who’s good defensively.
 
We have about 10 teams, one of the best academies in the world, and a global scouting department, yet we are putting all our eggs in basket of a breakthrough 22 yr old, at a rival, who don’t want to sell, and the number 70,000,000 is being floated?

Fuck me. I can smell the desperation from here and I’m 4,000 miles away!

There has to be another answer or football is dead!
 
ChicagoBlue said:
We have about 10 teams, one of the best academies in the world, and a global scouting department, yet we are putting all our eggs in basket of a breakthrough 22 yr old, at a rival, who don’t want to sell, and the number 70,000,000 is being floated?

Fuck me. I can smell the desperation from here and I’m 4,000 miles away!

There has to be another answer or football is dead!
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Buy an English lad who’s already playing in a top 5 team in the league and have a brilliant right back for 10 years. Or keep doing what we’ve been doing for the last couple of years in other positions spending 40/50m on players from abroad who don’t improve us.
 
Tomblue said:
Words fail me.

He isn’t a right back and we will get found out as we did last season if we go in with him as first choice in that position.

He was bought as a CM for gods sake and had never played a minute at RB until last season. He hasn’t now all of a sudden become a good RB.
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Did Txiki or Pep tell you what he was bought as?

Because Wolves didn't know how to use him or what his best position was either. They tried him in a few roles, because they knew he had the talent to drive forward with the ball. We realised we could use him - and yes, we possibly thought he could play centre-mid, but we've since worked out that his strengths suit us elsewhere.

So within this City team, his best role is right back. Well, possibly as right wing-back considering how far up the pitch we generally play.

We know where we are with Nunes. If we did bring in a "traditional" right-back, who played there since he was 8, they'd probably be coming into a side that works differently and has different requirements of the role, to any team they've ever played in. They'd be no guarantee of success.

It is actually difficult to find somebody better at right-back for us. It doesn't mean it's not possibly and there isn't somebody, just that maybe we need to worry about it a little less.
 
Oh, and Livramento is decent, but not amazing. I didn't catch much of the u21s final, but I did catch him diving in on the edge of our box and getting beat, but nothing came of it. He's still 'potential' rather than a guarantee to improve us, which is what he seems to have grown into for many over the summer.
 
mattcity5 said:
Did Txiki or Pep tell you what he was bought as?

Because Wolves didn't know how to use him or what his best position was either. They tried him in a few roles, because they knew he had the talent to drive forward with the ball. We realised we could use him - and yes, we possibly thought he could play centre-mid, but we've since worked out that his strengths suit us elsewhere.

So within this City team, his best role is right back. Well, possibly as right wing-back considering how far up the pitch we generally play.

We know where we are with Nunes. If we did bring in a "traditional" right-back, who played there since he was 8, they'd probably be coming into a side that works differently and has different requirements of the role, to any team they've ever played in. They'd be no guarantee of success.

It is actually difficult to find somebody better at right-back for us. It doesn't mean it's not possibly and there isn't somebody, just that maybe we need to worry about it a little less.
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With the state of our defence in this tournament and the lack of pace at centre half i think a very good natural right back would certainly improve us. We’ve bought a left back who is basically a left sided attacker but lines up as a left back. We need balance in my opinion. Like when we had cancelo constantly bombing on we had Walker at the back.Nunes has done very well lately but we need 2 who can play the position. Going into the season with Rico and Akanji as the alternatives isn’t good enough. It’s just papering over the cracks again like we’ve been doing on the left for years.
 
Craig said:
With the state of our defence in this tournament and the lack of pace at centre half i think a very good natural right back would certainly improve us. We’ve bought a left back who is basically a left sided attacker but lines up as a left back. We need balance in my opinion. Like when we had cancelo constantly bombing on we had Walker at the back.Nunes has done very well lately but we need 2 who can play the position. Going into the season with Rico and Akanji as the alternatives isn’t good enough. It’s just papering over the cracks again like we’ve been doing on the left for years.
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Id' just yard Stones and Akanji for Guehi in that case. (although agree i dont think we'll be playing the 2 high wide full backs everyone thinks). The RB will just sit deepere and let Foden/Cherki interchange on the right without hitting hte byline himself much
 
Cobwebcat said:
Not against this guy but his market value is about £35 million. If we really think we need him and there is nobody that comes close to him I can see £50 million. Once you start getting over that it becomes a question for me in that it makes us look like United splurging cash on players that are worth nowhere near that amount and paying big wages to boot.

I don’t see him improving us that much. He’s just OK in a very tiny market. I didn’t see many blues wanting him before we were linked although that was probably before the HG problem was widely known. Is he really that special that he becomes our second biggest purchase ever? After a month we could want Nunes back even with his propensity for a bozo (which might go with experience)
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oakiecokie said:
His biggest problem is that he`s too rash and hopefully Pep can help him get rid of that trait.
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Looking at our defenders today. One word I would describe them is WEAK. Get outmuscled, out jumped, beaten for pace. Ake and Dias were both on Koulibaly and he still scored. Just look at any of the goals we’ve conceded in the last 2 seasons they’re very similar. There’s a pattern.

Khusonov is better in the air, on the ball, faster than Dias, who only has leadership and blocking on him.

I like that he’s a little crazy.
 
Craig said:
With the state of our defence in this tournament and the lack of pace at centre half i think a very good natural right back would certainly improve us. We’ve bought a left back who is basically a left sided attacker but lines up as a left back. We need balance in my opinion. Like when we had cancelo constantly bombing on we had Walker at the back.Nunes has done very well lately but we need 2 who can play the position. Going into the season with Rico and Akanji as the alternatives isn’t good enough. It’s just papering over the cracks again like we’ve been doing on the left for years.
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You could be right, but finding a guaranteed improvement in that position isn't a sure thing.

We may continue to push our 2 wide 'defenders' on, if we have Rodri there to sit in basically as an extra defender when needed.
 
Dax777 said:
What if he isn't. What id he's development stagnates. People pretend the more money we pay guarantees improvement.

Whether a player improves or develop is unrelated to how much you pay. Personally, I find Martim Fernandez more appealing. But I'd rather have both develop 1 more year to see which one makes the next step.

If Livramento is going to cost 70 million, weit for him to actually prove he is the best TB first, yhen we can pay the 70 million.

But 70 million for a prospect?? No!
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It’s not your money.
We need to go back to winning ways.
He can play for us for 10 years
It will be too late.
We could’ve got Hakimi 2 years ago, can we get him now that he’s comfortably the best itw ? Obviously not.
did you watch Martim in the CWC he was average at best. He never even played as an orthodox RB he was a CB in a back 3
We have a HG quota issue, the club isn’t going for Trafford or MGW or Aina. There’s no other option. Grealish, Stones, Ake, Walker, Lewis could all be gone by the end of next season. We can’t just have Foden and Bobb.
 
The lad is crap.
mattcity5 said:
Did Txiki or Pep tell you what he was bought as?

Because Wolves didn't know how to use him or what his best position was either. They tried him in a few roles, because they knew he had the talent to drive forward with the ball. We realised we could use him - and yes, we possibly thought he could play centre-mid, but we've since worked out that his strengths suit us elsewhere.

So within this City team, his best role is right back. Well, possibly as right wing-back considering how far up the pitch we generally play.

We know where we are with Nunes. If we did bring in a "traditional" right-back, who played there since he was 8, they'd probably be coming into a side that works differently and has different requirements of the role, to any team they've ever played in. They'd be no guarantee of success.

It is actually difficult to find somebody better at right-back for us. It doesn't mean it's not possibly and there isn't somebody, just that maybe we need to worry about it a little less.
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He's a shite midfielder and a shite RB. He might be the best option at RB out of our current squad, but that says more about the lack of quality in our defense than him being good enough. Livramento is ridiculously overpriced, but at least he is an actual fullback and not a crap midfielder being asked to play there.
 
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