PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[oakiecokie]

How many tooth brushes have you gone through.

Not as many as you think. He used several from Herr Klopp.

 

[mexico1970]

You would think though that the permitted deduction would be based on a calculation that could be applied to any club?

That's how I would expect it to be done anyway?

What continues to surprise me is how stupid the owners of clubs are to allow the cartel to dictate to them and farm them like meaningless sheep or pawns.

Someone somewhere at each and every club must be making money at the expense of preventing their own club to navigate up the pecking order, my opinion is that the owners of clubs are short changing the fans and the fans on the whole couldn't seem to give a fuck about it

 

[citizen_maine]

Oh absolutely, all we want is transparency, consistency and fairness.

It's clear the PL (and some of their member clubs) live their lives under a different moral code.

If anything, the Chelsea hotel thing shows that rather than trying to close loopholes, most clubs are going 'Ooh, we can use that too!', so it's a moot point discussing whether or not other clubs can challenge

 

[mattcity5]

What continues to surprise me is how stupid the owners of clubs are to allow the cartel to dictate to them and farm them like meaningless sheep or pawns.

Someone somewhere at each and every club must be making money at the expense of preventing their own club to navigate up the pecking order, my opinion is that the owners of clubs are short changing the fans and the fans on the whole couldn't seem to give a fuck about it

Very true. I'd add though that most of the mid table (and lower) clubs are more worried about slipping down the league rather than hoping they move up it.

 

[mexico1970]

If anything, the Chelsea hotel thing shows that rather than trying to close loopholes, most clubs are going 'Ooh, we can use that too!', so it's a moot point discussing whether or not other clubs can challenge

The rags and scouse could sell blood diamonds with your half time pint and the PL will find a way to justify it.

 

[Maly]

But in a private group of 20 members, what COVID allowances and other financial "exceptions" clubs are allowed to have as part of financial restrictions, is not a matter of law.

Hence why there appears to be more flexibility for some, than others.

Again, this isn’t true mate. If the financial exceptions aren’t applied consistently, they can be legally challenged

For example, if both City & United put in for the same Covid exception allowances for exactly the same thing & United’s got passed & City’s didn’t, do you honestly think City wouldn’t be seeing the PL in court again?

 

[mexico1970]

Very true. I'd add though that most of the mid table (and lower) clubs are more worried about slipping down the league rather than hoping they move up it.

Fans are excited about what they can do next season and how far they can climb, it's painful that their owners don't care where they finish as long as they make money.

 

[mancboy]

Oh absolutely, all we want is transparency, consistency and fairness.

It's clear the PL (and some of their member clubs) live their lives under a different moral code.

The way var is used in the pl will tell you all you need to know about their fear of consistency, transparency and fairness, there is no technological reason why the conversations between the var team and the ref cant be broadcast in real time as is shown in rugby league and in cricket. There is also no reason why the refs decisions cant be justified by the ref when given as is shown with the cwc, it was only late last season that they brought in the semi automated offside tech even tho its been available for 2 seasons prior. The more they shy away from transparency the more they are able to influence decisions, this is the way they work and its also 115 is going to bite them on the ass, thus far they have influenced things by just doing what they pleased and expecting clubs to just take it, that has now stopped and just because the pl said so wont be a valid reason anymore.

 

[Colin Bells Boots]

Fans are excited about what they can do next season and how far they can climb, it's painful that their owners don't care where they finish as long as they make money.

Tbf that applies to all clubs, but the worrying part is the number of US owners in the Pl, and their combined influence and objectives for the future structure of the league along the lines of the Super League.

The undue pressure they may be able to exert upon the PL and certain members, with individuals like Masters at the head, is concerning as corruption is never far away from affecting their decisions.

City are the only club ( as far as I know ) who have actually challenged the running and authority of the PL , and that process is proving to be a long drawn-out and expensive exercise.

Perhaps the expense which other clubs will be forced to pay in support of the PL's actions will be the straw that breaks the camel's back.

But the US owners are a massive issue imo .

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

Isn't the fact the PL accepted the COVID allowance without question an issue in itself?

What would it take for something to be looked I to if the PL says it's fine? Is that automatically the end of things or is there a process whereby other members could question it?

Or are the reasons for them accepting that deduction clearly defined somewhere?

Who makes the decisions at the PL to investigate some teams but not others. It’s not a transparent process of governance.

 

[slbsn]

Isn't the fact the PL accepted the COVID allowance without question an issue in itself?

What would it take for something to be looked I to if the PL says it's fine? Is that automatically the end of things or is there a process whereby other members could question it?

Or are the reasons for them accepting that deduction clearly defined somewhere?

We don't know what process was involved. I am not convinced we can assume it was all just waived through.

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

Tbf that applies to all clubs, but the worrying part is the number of US owners in the Pl, and their combined influence and objectives for the future structure of the league along the lines of the Super League.

The undue pressure they may be able to exert upon the PL and certain members, with individuals like Masters at the head, is concerning as corruption is never far away from affecting their decisions.

City are the only club ( as far as I know ) who have actually challenged the running and authority of the PL , and that process is proving to be a long drawn-out and expensive exercise.

Perhaps the expense which other clubs will be forced to pay in support of the PL's actions will be the straw that breaks the camel's back.

But the US owners are a massive issue imo .

The PL governance has only been challenged once in the APT case and they were found to have acted illegally by independent Judges. This can only be the tip of a very large iceberg. My gut feeling is that corruption is endemic within the PL leadership process.

 

[Gazza]

Oh absolutely, all we want is transparency, consistency and fairness.

It's clear the PL (and some of their member clubs) live their lives under a different moral code.

Certain clubs think that the PL is theirs and theirs alone, with the other clubs there just to make up the numbers, they are the star of the film and us merely extras.

 

[Colin Bells Boots]

We don't know what process was involved. I am not convinced we can assume it was all just waived through.

But that is exactly the issue - we don't know what process was involved, or even if there was one in existence.

The lack of transparency involving the PL's actions is the concern, and surely every member should be aware of exactly what is in place ?

 

[Colin Bells Boots]

The PL governance has only been challenged once in the APT case and they were found to have acted illegally by independent Judges. This can only be the tip of a very large iceberg. My gut feeling is that corruption is endemic within the PL leadership process.

And clearly City believe exactly the same, hence our continual challenges of their decisions and applications which are blatantly targeted at the club, and other non-cabal supporting members.

Corruption in plain view.

 

[Eric Hitchmough]

“You better get on your knees and pray, Pannick is on the wayyyyyyy.”

 

[mancboy]

We don't know what process was involved. I am not convinced we can assume it was all just waived through.

regardless of the process involved and whether we know or not, the fact that their covid allowance was exponentially larger than every single other clubs and helped them avoid psr regulations. When other clubs were forced to sell players at below market rates and also incurred points deductions in the case of everton due to their requests being knocked back should suggest that the pl would want to make clear why theirs was and others werent in the interests of being fair and transparent and even handed to all clubs.

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

But that is exactly the issue - we don't know what process was involved, or even if there was one in existence.

The lack of transparency involving the PL's actions is the concern, and surely every member should be aware of exactly what is in place ?

It also impacts on the fans because we are the paying customers. The whole process must be open and transparent. We already know for certain that the PL ignored their own legal advice to create “unlawful” and “unfair” rules which damaged our club commercially. Why should we trust them?

 

[DTKOAG]

 

[SilverFox2]

Whatever happens we'll just have to roll with it.

It's not as bad as it looks because I think they are still actually losing money and are simply spreading that loss between 2 companies.
They avoid fines others receive for dubious reasons but I'm happy with them continuing to put borrowed money down the black hole of money loss.