Palestine Action

Churchlawtonblue said:
I think if you break into any military base and start to sabotage expensive military equipment you run the risk of not only being detained and having the book thrown at you, but also you run the risk of being shot. Presumably there are armed personnel at most if not all of these bases. Interesting to see the outcome if that had occurred.
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I'm not an expert on the military, but I'm pretty sure the British army don't have a shoot on sight policy for anyone caught trespassing in their bases during peacetime.
 
I'm With Stupid said:
I'm not an expert on the military, but I'm pretty sure the British army don't have a shoot on sight policy for anyone caught trespassing in their bases during peacetime.
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I didn't realise it was just trespassing.

It looked very much like the sabotage of a multiple million pound military aircraft to me.

Im guessing you havent seen what they did?
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
I didn't realise it was just trespassing.

It looked very much like the sabotage of a multiple million pound military aircraft to me.

Im guessing you havent seen what they did?
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They painted it, I doubt it stopped it from being able to fly and do it's job.

They should have just rounded up the next set of activists in. a march and made them repaint it.

proscribing them as terrorists is a ridiculous waste of time
 
urban genie said:
They painted it, I doubt it stopped it from being able to fly and do it's job.

They should have just rounded up the next set of activists in. a march and made them repaint it.

proscribing them as terrorists is a ridiculous waste of time
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Lots of police overtime yesterday to arrest people for something that was legal the day before. As opposed to stopping real crime.
 
I'm With Stupid said:
I'm not an expert on the military, but I'm pretty sure the British army don't have a shoot on sight policy for anyone caught trespassing in their bases during peacetime.
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No you get challenged but if someone came at you then you could, I was based at Brize about 30 years ago it’s fucking huge and and easy to get into should you really want to, we don’t have cameras everywhere (budget) and it’s a big place to patrol.
 
urban genie said:
They painted it, I doubt it stopped it from being able to fly and do it's job.

They should have just rounded up the next set of activists in. a march and made them repaint it.

proscribing them as terrorists is a ridiculous waste of time
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They apparently caused £6m pounds worth of damage. Don't try and make out it was just a bit of graffiti. They deliberately sprayed paint into the engine to sabotage it and I guess prevent the plane from being used?

Tbh I couldn't care less if they are proscribed as a terrorist organisation or not.

The same group smashed up BBC Newcastles building threatening the security guards.

These people are scum who feel the laws don't apply to them. If they get 5years in jail, then perhaps they will abide by the laws of the land and demonstrate peacefully next time.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
They apparently caused £6m pounds worth of damage. Don't try and make out it was just a bit of graffiti. They deliberately sprayed paint into the engine to sabotage it and I guess prevent the plane from being used?

Tbh I couldn't care less if they are proscribed as a terrorist organisation or not.

The same group smashed up BBC Newcastles building threatening the security guards.

These people are scum who feel the laws don't apply to them. If they get 5years in jail, then perhaps they will abide by the laws of the land and demonstrate peacefully next time.
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Yeah, those arrested for waving placards really look like 'scum' don't
they.
edit; ignore that.
 
Genuine Question - people got arrested yesterday for simply holding up placards in support of Palestine Action. All the papers today and all the news channels have reported it using stills or moving images displaying those same placards so why are not the tv editors or the editors of the papers also subject to the same laws and subject to arrest?
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
They apparently caused £6m pounds worth of damage. Don't try and make out it was just a bit of graffiti. They deliberately sprayed paint into the engine to sabotage it and I guess prevent the plane from being used?

Tbh I couldn't care less if they are proscribed as a terrorist organisation or not.

The same group smashed up BBC Newcastles building threatening the security guards.

These people are scum who feel the laws don't apply to them. If they get 5years in jail, then perhaps they will abide by the laws of the land and demonstrate peacefully next time.
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Yet flight tracker records show the plane has has been fyling frequently since June 20th

And has been back and forth to Scotland.


The one who broke in have been arrested as have the ones in Newcastle.and several otber stunts over the years


If someone commits a criminal act arrest them for it by all means.

But surely you agree if a granny holds up a placard woth palestine action on it is now nicked under terrorism laws it is a farcical waste of police resources and time.
 
inbetween said:
Anti-Israel protests can take place at anytime without needing to even mention Palestine Action so I don't see the problem. The only reason for the existence of Palestine Action is to take action, actions that we know are illegal so I do not understand the defence because there is no defence.

So yes the government has acted to proscribe them quite simply because their actions fall under the terror legislation. The alternative is the Official Secrets Act (given they entered an RAF station and damaged an MOD asset) but terror legislation carries much greater powers.

The Terrorism Act 2000 defines terrorism, both in and outside of the UK, as the use or threat of one or more of the actions listed below, and where they are designed to influence the government, or an international governmental organisation or to intimidate the public. The use or threat must also be for the purpose of advancing a political, religious, racial or ideological cause.

The specific actions included are:

  • serious violence against a person;
  • serious damage to property;
  • endangering a person's life (other than that of the person committing the action);
  • creating a serious risk to the health or safety of the public or a section of the public; and
  • action designed to seriously interfere with or seriously to disrupt an electronic system.
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On that basis Reform and Farage should have been proscribed as a terrorist organisation by agitating followers and members to:

Influence the elected Govt on Asylum policy and advance a political cause
Violence against people based on skin colour/religion
Serious damage to property
Creating a serious risk to the health and safety of the public and a section of the public.

It’s almost as if the law is not applied equally. Does right wing terror get a pass?
 
urban genie said:
Yet flight tracker records show the plane has has been fyling frequently since June 20th

And has been back and forth to Scotland.


The one who broke in have been arrested as have the ones in Newcastle.and several otber stunts over the years


If someone commits a criminal act arrest them for it by all means.

But surely you agree if a granny holds up a placard woth palestine action on it is now nicked under terrorism laws it is a farcical waste of police resources and time.
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I did. Read my other post.
 
BobKowalski said:
On that basis Reform and Farage should have been proscribed as a terrorist organisation by agitating followers and members to:

Influence the elected Govt on Asylum policy and advance a political cause
Violence against people based on skin colour/religion
Serious damage to property
Creating a serious risk to the health and safety of the public and a section of the public.

It’s almost as if the law is not applied equally. Does right wing terror get a pass?
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Have they done what you have said? Can you provide evidence?

To be honest Bob it looks like you have made some of that stuff up?

Trying to influence Government policy isn't a crime by the way.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Have they done what you have said? Can you provide evidence?

To be honest Bob it looks like you have made some of that stuff up?

Trying to influence Goverment policy isn't a crime by the way.
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It is if the means used are violent as per the definition you cited. The deliberate incitement to violence after the Stockport murders was an attempt to take a tragic but unrelated incident and misrepresent it to stoke violence and harm to a section of the public and influence Govt policy. Reform members and Farage had their fingerprints all over it.
 
It's pretty straightforward really.
The majority of countries understand perfectly what's going on. Many of them having been colonized themselves at some point.
The problem is that the UN is not democratic.
The US, Britain, China, Russia and France have a veto. All of these countries are currently or have been for many years in violation of various UN charters.

They are only interested in UN resolutions when it suits them.

They idea that any of them have a moral compass is and always has been ridiculous.

A case in point is the post 45 exodus of Nazi scientists to the US. And let's not investigate the French in Algeria or Indochina.
 


Let’s not distract from what is happening in Gaza and the West Bank, while we debate the UK government and their distraction technique, innocent children/adults are dying daily, shot and bombed out of existence in Palestine

The world for once is united in its condemnation of Netanyahu and his policy to wipe the Palestinians off the face of the earth and sell their land, homes to the highest bidder.
 
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