The Labour Government

Are there no depths that this government will not plumb?

Having resisted calls for a public enquiry into the rape gangs scandal, finally agreeing to something watered down having been kicking and screaming. ...

... they are now suggesting we have a public enquiry into...The police handling of the miner's strikes over 40 years ago??? What the actual fuck?

So they are gunning to chastise the police because, wait, the police were policing mainly Labour supporters?

I eagerly await Starmer referring to rioting miners as Left Wing Thugs.
It's specifically around the Battle Of Orgreave rather than policing of the miner's strikes in general, and people have been calling for an inquiry into it for years, mainly because South Yorkshire police were accused of falsifying evidence. The government haven't just plucked this one out of thin air today.
 
Good old Blairite Kendall accusing the plebs of not saving enough for retirement.

Maybe if we all had decent living wages with reasonably priced energy bills we might be able to.

Carrer politicians love to blame their voters for the economic shit the country is in whilet they enjoy their free dinners/holidays/bungs from their corporate donors.
 
It's specifically around the Battle Of Orgreave rather than policing of the miner's strikes in general, and people have been calling for an inquiry into it for years, mainly because South Yorkshire police were accused of falsifying evidence. The government haven't just plucked this one out of thin air today.
Don’t piss on the moaners parade by giving the facts
 
Good old Blairite Kendall accusing the plebs of not saving enough for retirement.

Maybe if we all had decent living wages with reasonably priced energy bills we might be able to.

Carrer politicians love to blame their voters for the economic shit the country is in whilet they enjoy their free dinners/holidays/bungs from their corporate donors.
Well said.
 
It's specifically around the Battle Of Orgreave rather than policing of the miner's strikes in general, and people have been calling for an inquiry into it for years, mainly because South Yorkshire police were accused of falsifying evidence. The government haven't just plucked this one out of thin air today.
Notwithstanding the fact that they have been LOATHED to have an enquiry into a far more serious subject - the mass rape of scores of English children. But seem quite happy - enthusiastic even - to have one about an issue that happened 40 years ago and which by any level assessment cannot possibly be considered as serious as coordinate mass rapes.

Personally, I am 100% sure I know the reason for their reluctance on the former enquiry, which I am sure (a) they will try to water down as much as possible and (b) is still going to be extremely damaging to the Labour Party.
 
Notwithstanding the fact that they have been LOATHED to have an enquiry into a far more serious subject - the mass rape of scores of English children. But seem quite happy - enthusiastic even - to have one about an issue that happened 40 years ago and which by any level assessment cannot possibly be considered as serious as coordinate mass rapes.

Personally, I am 100% sure I know the reason for their reluctance on the former enquiry, which I am sure (a) they will try to water down as much as possible and (b) is still going to be extremely damaging to the Labour Party.
But they're having an inquiry into the rape gangs and announced it weeks before this one. Orgreave was one of their pre-election manifesto pledges yet it still took them 12 months after getting in to announce it

I know you hate every aspect of this Labour government mate but didn't your mate Boris once say £60 million was spaffed up the wall on child abuse inquiries? Yep, he did indeed!

 
But they're having an inquiry into the rape gangs and announced it weeks before this one. Orgreave was one of their pre-election manifesto pledges yet it still took them 12 months after getting in to announce it

I know you hate every aspect of this Labour government mate but didn't your mate Boris once say £60 million was spaffed up the wall on child abuse inquiries? Yep, he did indeed!

I'll be happy when the terms of reference is agreed and they say they will be investigating everybody and not excluding some groups such as MPs, government ministers, people in whitehall, the police etc. We can be pretty sure than anyone who gets excluded, they know is guilty as shit.
 
Good old Blairite Kendall accusing the plebs of not saving enough for retirement.

Maybe if we all had decent living wages with reasonably priced energy bills we might be able to.

Carrer politicians love to blame their voters for the economic shit the country is in whilet they enjoy their free dinners/holidays/bungs from their corporate donors.

Yup. Some of you haven’t saved enough so we’re going to make you work longer. I wonder if someone with a brain cell actually proofread these speeches.
 
I'll be happy when the terms of reference is agreed and they say they will be investigating everybody and not excluding some groups such as MPs, government ministers, people in whitehall, the police etc. We can be pretty sure than anyone who gets excluded, they know is guilty as shit.
Have they actually said they’ll be excluding anybody from the investigation? Not trying to cause any more aggro today but I’d be interested to know if they’ve said or implied that.

What do you think of Johnson’s comments back in 2019 that I linked to?
 
Have they actually said they’ll be excluding anybody from the investigation? Not trying to cause any more aggro today but I’d be interested to know if they’ve said or implied that.

What do you think of Johnson’s comments back in 2019 that I linked to?
I'd heard a rumour yes. Can't remember where - I'll see if I can find it. No, didn't read Johnson's comments yet. He was a buffoon, so tbh I'm not too interested in what he had to say one way or another.

Something people don't seem to get about me is that I am a hugely strong believer in conservative principles and politics but NOT of the Tory party itself, which at times behaved like a bunch of idiots at best, ****s at worst. Rather ironic that the haters used to call me "Tory boy". I was and remain far from that.

Back to the enquiries bit, the slightly concerning bit is the "coordinated set of local enquiries", which explicitly says it will be looking at things locally. Maybe I am being paranoid but I have a sneaking suspicion they will try to exclude central government officials. Hopefully not, we'll see. Also need to ensure we don't have local police forces marking their own homework!

For me, this is the biggest scandal in the history of the United Kingdom. It's hard to imagine anything worse - the systematic rape of children as young as 10. And hundreds if not thousands of them. And then, branding some of the kids as prostitutes, and failing entirely to protect them. It's so bad it's absolutely beyond belief.
 
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Yup. Some of you haven’t saved enough so we’re going to make you work longer. I wonder if someone with a brain cell actually proofread these speeches.
I don't buy the " you haven’t saved enough so we’re going to make you work longer" line , they are trying to make it sound that it is for your own good.
More like they have failed to save anything from the Welfare bill - forget all that "it's a moral imperative" , "those that can work must work" stuff. They have done nothing ! Those that can work but choose not to will be also be allowed to do nothing !
So they need to cover that.
Plus of course ..
Smash those gangs - Not happened
All that extra cash from Non - Doms -Not happened
Grow the economy = Additional Tax - Not happened
etc etc
Delaying pensionable age by 1 year saves £8 - £10 Billion - that should cover a big chunk of it, that the reason.
Reality is that what Kendall says about the pension age etc is correct but expediency is the reason for her actions.
 
I don't buy the " you haven’t saved enough so we’re going to make you work longer" line , they are trying to make it sound that it is for your own good.
More like they have failed to save anything from the Welfare bill - forget all that "it's a moral imperative" , "those that can work must work" stuff. They have done nothing ! Those that can work but choose not to will be also be allowed to do nothing !
So they need to cover that.
Plus of course ..
Smash those gangs - Not happened
All that extra cash from Non - Doms -Not happened
Grow the economy = Additional Tax - Not happened
etc etc
Delaying pensionable age by 1 year saves £8 - £10 Billion - that should cover a big chunk of it, that the reason.
Reality is that what Kendall says about the pension age etc is correct but expediency is the reason for her actions.
The non-doms thing is arguably the worst.

Can you remotely imagine that anyone with a few hundred million in foreign assets will be happy to stay in the UK, so that when they die, they have to give 40% of everything they have ever amassed - ABROAD - to the UK government? You'd need your lumps feeling! OF COURSE they will be off in their droves. Which is diabolical for the economy. No VAT on their purchases, no people being employed, no tax receipts from them at all. It's beyond idiotic.
 
I'd heard a rumour yes. Can't remember where - I'll see if I can find it. No, didn't read Johnson's comments yet. He was a buffoon, so tbh I'm not too interested in what he had to say one way or another.

Something people don't seem to get about me is that I am a hugely strong believer in conservative principles and politics but NOT of the Tory party itself, which at times behaved like a bunch of idiots at best, ****s at worst. Rather ironic that the haters used to call me "Tory boy". I was and remain far from that.

Back to the enquiries bit, the slightly concerning bit is the "coordinated set of local enquiries", which explicitly says it will be looking at things locally. Maybe I am being paranoid but I have a sneaking suspicion they will try to exclude central government officials. Hopefully not, we'll see. Also need to ensure we don't have local police forces marking their own homework!

For me, this is the biggest scandal in the history of the United Kingdom. It's hard to imagine anything worse - the systematic rape of children as young as 10. And hundreds if not thousands of them. And then, branding some of the kids as prostitutes, and failing entirely to protect them. It's so bad it's absolutely beyond belief.
Rayner will be desperate to get her Islamophobia legislation through ahead of the inquiry findings to contain the fall out.
If you haven't had a look at The Raja Miah / Recusant nine stuff on YouTube, it is an eye opener. A lot of the Labour Party names on Oldham council are well connected to Rayner, she will not be comfortable.
 
The non-doms thing is arguably the worst.

Can you remotely imagine that anyone with a few hundred million in foreign assets will be happy to stay in the UK, so that when they die, they have to give 40% of everything they have ever amassed - ABROAD - to the UK government? You'd need your lumps feeling! OF COURSE they will be off in their droves. Which is diabolical for the economy. No VAT on their purchases, no people being employed, no tax receipts from them at all. It's beyond idiotic.
Do you have any substantial evidence on the cost in GDP for this mythical mass exodus of extremely rich people? Maybe we can do bit of crowd funding to help them? I do know Brexit is costing over £100Billion a year in lost GDP, Starmer and his gang should zeroing in on this, not doing the Tories dirty work for them by attacking working poor.
 
Good old Blairite Kendall accusing the plebs of not saving enough for retirement.

Maybe if we all had decent living wages with reasonably priced energy bills we might be able to.

Carrer politicians love to blame their voters for the economic shit the country is in whilet they enjoy their free dinners/holidays/bungs from their corporate donors.

Nah mate

Its us useless constituents wasting our cash on Netflixs and Costas thats to blame...
 
Good old Blairite Kendall accusing the plebs of not saving enough for retirement.

Maybe if we all had decent living wages with reasonably priced energy bills we might be able to.

Carrer politicians love to blame their voters for the economic shit the country is in whilet they enjoy their free dinners/holidays/bungs from their corporate donors.
Catch 22 again on salaries. High salaries mean higher prices. If you're not one of those that gets the higher salary you are hit by the higher prices. As for energy bills, they have only gone to stupid prices since 2022. That is no excuse for people failing to put a bit aside into a personal/company pension especially when the tax relief makes it such an incentive to do so. And let's not forget the group of people who are 55+/80 are the very group that have had things so good for so long. Final salary pensions were the norm, no tuition fees, still plenty of jobs that were long term, affordable housing etc.

I agree with the last para though.
 
Do you have any substantial evidence on the cost in GDP for this mythical mass exodus of extremely rich people? Maybe we can do bit of crowd funding to help them? I do know Brexit is costing over £100Billion a year in lost GDP, Starmer and his gang should zeroing in on this, not doing the Tories dirty work for them by attacking working poor.
What a childish post.

You clearly don't understand what the average non-dom is like. These are not Anglophiles who will stay in the UK because it's all jolly nice here. They are uber-rich and extremely mobile. They will go and live wherever in the world they fancy. If they like London and don't get fleeced for the privilege of staying here, they may stay for a while, buying a Rolls-Royce from HR Owen in Berkley Square perhaps? Buying expensive suits from Saville Row. But more generally, spending their money, paying tax on their UK income, paying VAT, employing people. This is MASSIVELY beneficial to the UK economy.

Now, question: Do you want more of these people in the UK or fewer? If the answer is fewer, there is no hope for you and the debate is finished.

Hopefully you will recognise that we want more of them. You will recognise that their contribution to the UK economy is significant. Now, how much more likely do you think is that these uber rich people will choose the UK after the changes to apply tax all of their global income and take 40% of their global wealth off them in IHT?

I don't have the stats to hand - I can look them up as you can. But it stands to reason they will fuck off in droves. There's endless stories of financial advisers who had many wealthy non-doms on the books, but that they are losing their customers at an alarming rate.

This is just another example of flawed Labour thinking driven by bitterness and resentment. They'd rather see everyone worse off them some continuing to be extremely rich. And the policy will not work. Just like a wealth tax and other such tripe won't work. It doesn't raise any money, actually less, and will make everyone in the UK, poorer.
 

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