PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

Cobwebcat said:
The penny drops, finally! ………



It’s actually really annoying it took this long, and this deal, for them to realise.

How much longer for the PL themselves?
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Club that wins six of the last 8 PLs has commercial appeal shocker!

How fucking thick do you have to be to not join the dots on this?
 
KS55 said:
The whole concept of the PL coming up with a sponsorship value is nonsense. Each situation is unique and subject to both businesses analysing what a contract is worth and freely negotiating the price.
Both Etihad and Puma have reported record sales after their sponsorship of City.
I expect City to be arguing this strongly in the upcoming action.
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I have been saying this for as long as i can remember, NO outside entity can set the market value of anything, the market sets the value, something is worth what someone is willing to pay, that is the very basis of free market economics and it is ridiculous that these supposed highly educated people who 'run' the pl dont understand that. As i have supposed in the past lets look at two identical cases and how they are decided, etihad decide to sponsor city, they become visible across the world and their airline grows exponentially to the point where they are ready to offer an IPO during this time they decide due to the success of that they want to renegotiate the terms as the sponsorship is working for them, the pl say no this isnt fmv completely dsiregarding the growth of the company and the fact that the company can spend its money wherever it wants. Visit rwanda decide to sponsor arsenal despite having no discernible tourist trade to speak off and being a current conflict zone and also nobody in the history of time saying to their missus right love this year we could have gone to barbados, new york, greece but i decided to cough up and go to rwanda and the PL say yep thats defo FMV despite their being no market or value. They are quite clearly not fit for purpose as those cases show they neither understand markets or values and dont get me started on their ridiculous version of fair.
 
cheekybids said:
It was fucking pathetic that the experts were comparing our teams playing each other & gave the Rags a compelling victory with both teams playing a 442.
Not 1 expert tried to argue our set up was far superior or that Neville may struggling pushing into midfield the thick fuckers.
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I think if you could somehow take that Rag team and time travel to today, they would finish around Brentford / Brighton type of league standing. In fact Brentford pretty much play the way that Rag team did, direct fast football, using the channels and crosses.
If you did the reverse with our Treble team, I think it would basically blow away everyone and win the quad. We would not be undefeated but close to it in all competitions IMO
 
Legalamb777 said:
Our TREBLE will ALWAYS be more legitimate than the rags,we entered the CHAMPIONS league that season as Englands actual winners of their league…..unlike the scum rags,who entered it as sloppy second to Arsenal…..fucking champions league,they weren’t even champions of their own league when they entered it…..I always push this narrative to the rags I work with and the ones I meet….they fucking hate it,just keep repeating it to them,I’ve noticed the younger ones get more wound up than the ones around my age.
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Not even close

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feedmpenzaandhewillscore said:
The great unwashed out on the internet reaction to City’s billion pound kit deal is that Mansour is now writing cheques via Puma. A company based in Germany that has fuck all connection to Abu Dhabi, this is Puma that now has a deal with the Premier League to produce their match ball amongst other things. If City’s kit deal isn’t fair market value is the Premier Leagues?
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They think Our owner has influence that much hey?

Americans have more influence because they run the media they play dirty tricks and do anything to damage a threat! But seems the media are that far up the American owners they don’t give a shit about where the premier is heading under this American influence to the English game!
 
mancboy said:
I have been saying this for as long as i can remember, NO outside entity can set the market value of anything, the market sets the value, something is worth what someone is willing to pay, that is the very basis of free market economics and it is ridiculous that these supposed highly educated people who 'run' the pl dont understand that. As i have supposed in the past lets look at two identical cases and how they are decided, etihad decide to sponsor city, they become visible across the world and their airline grows exponentially to the point where they are ready to offer an IPO during this time they decide due to the success of that they want to renegotiate the terms as the sponsorship is working for them, the pl say no this isnt fmv completely dsiregarding the growth of the company and the fact that the company can spend its money wherever it wants. Visit rwanda decide to sponsor arsenal despite having no discernible tourist trade to speak off and being a current conflict zone and also nobody in the history of time saying to their missus right love this year we could have gone to barbados, new york, greece but i decided to cough up and go to rwanda and the PL say yep thats defo FMV despite their being no market or value. They are quite clearly not fit for purpose as those cases show they neither understand markets or values and dont get me started on their ridiculous version of fair.
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How about Team Viewer who sponsored the rags for a high percentage of what the company’s actual value was back in 2021. They ended up having to get themselves out of the arrangement two season earlier than they should have as they couldn’t afford to pay for it. Who signed that off for an organisation that sells to business and not consumers?
 
feedmpenzaandhewillscore said:
How about Team Viewer who sponsored the rags for a high percentage of what the company’s actual value was back in 2021. They ended up having to get themselves out of the arrangement two season earlier than they should have as they couldn’t afford to pay for it. Who signed that off for an organisation that sells to business and not consumers?
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Same goes for the chevrolet one as well, there is a multitude of them, i just went with those two as they are directly comparable.
 
mancboy said:
Same goes for the chevrolet one as well, there is a multitude of them, i just went with those two as they are directly comparable.
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Liverpool first shirt sponsor under Henry there first off was 16m then ended up getting one for 25m from a company Henry new well related!
 
mancboy said:
I have been saying this for as long as i can remember, NO outside entity can set the market value of anything, the market sets the value, something is worth what someone is willing to pay, that is the very basis of free market economics and it is ridiculous that these supposed highly educated people who 'run' the pl dont understand that. As i have supposed in the past lets look at two identical cases and how they are decided, etihad decide to sponsor city, they become visible across the world and their airline grows exponentially to the point where they are ready to offer an IPO during this time they decide due to the success of that they want to renegotiate the terms as the sponsorship is working for them, the pl say no this isnt fmv completely dsiregarding the growth of the company and the fact that the company can spend its money wherever it wants. Visit rwanda decide to sponsor arsenal despite having no discernible tourist trade to speak off and being a current conflict zone and also nobody in the history of time saying to their missus right love this year we could have gone to barbados, new york, greece but i decided to cough up and go to rwanda and the PL say yep thats defo FMV despite their being no market or value. They are quite clearly not fit for purpose as those cases show they neither understand markets or values and dont get me started on their ridiculous version of fair.
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Great post ……but I’m starting to wonder if this thread will ever DIE ?!?

I’m so sick of not knowing what the ruling is going to be ……feels like it’s been going on forever now - or is it just me ?
 
waspish said:
Liverpool first shirt sponsor under Henry there first off was 16m then ended up getting one for 25m from a company Henry new well related!
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we could go on forever with the shady deals and they are still there today. Thats another route we could go down in terms of related companies, the PL etc dont seem to understand that the world of billionaires is a rarified air and they all interact and intersect in one way or the other whether it being directly or indirectly, so related companies is a nonsense and unenforceable term anyway.
 
mancboy said:
Same goes for the chevrolet one as well, there is a multitude of them, i just went with those two as they are directly comparable.
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On what you outlined on who decides market value. Say a life jacket to buy is £100 in retail, if you are on a ship in the middle of the Atlantic and it’s the last one with a few hundred people fighting over it, how much is that life jacket worth now? Market conditions and how much someone is willing to pay sets the price, not how much someone bought one from Amazon just incase they needed one paid.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
Club that wins six of the last 8 PLs has commercial appeal shocker!

How fucking thick do you have to be to not join the dots on this?
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And, in that time (Pep time)
17 major honours
The treble
4 in a row
Domestic treble
100 points in a season
90+ points in four seasons (only ever been done 5 times before and one of those was a 42 game season)
Average of 89 points a season
246 wins out of 342 league games, 25 more than any other team in the same period (72%).
Scored 827 league goals (almost 2.5 per game), 80 more than Liverpool, whilst conceding 293, with Liverpool next best on 331.
The goal difference is a ridiculous +534, with Liverpool next on +413, then Arsenal on +257. EVERY other team is over 300 behind!

Guardiola won 704 points in his first 300 Premier League matches, which is 70 more than next best Jose Mourinho.

He became the fastest manager in Premier League history to earn 500 points when City drew 1-1 with Southampton in January 2022 (his 213th game.)

The only English top-flight team to score 100 goals at home in a single season in all competitions, doing so twice (2018/19 and 2022/23).

14 consecutive wins to end the 2018/19 Premier League season is the longest run of victories at the end of a campaign.

The 4-0 win over Newcastle in December 2021 was our 34th of that calendar year – a new English football record for the most top-flight wins in a calendar year, which was also our 18th away league win of the year - more than any other top-flight side has managed in the history of English football.

A few other PL records we’ve got.
Biggest title winning margin - 19 points
Smallest title winning margin - +8 GD
Most away points in a season - 50
Most away wins in a season - 16
Most consecutive away wins in a season - 12
Most goals scored in a season- 106
Most Golden Glove winners - 7

I wonder why any sponsor want to be associated with the above???

What an absolute mint team we’ve been watching these last few years and I’m very much looking forward to watching the new version emerge over the next year or two.

Somewhat unbelievable the amount of criticism they attract, especially on this site…
 
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