UEFA Women's Euros | England win final on penalties!

[Tim of the Oak]

Fantastic achievement by England Women.

Tremendous perseverance coupled with moments of quality. Great to see the BBC panel dominated by ex professionals synonymous with City.

Bronze performing with a broken leg is the type of commitment you would associate more with the SAS than a football team. A true warrior.

 

[bluemoon32]

Well played and congrats to the Women, showed they had much bigger bollocks than the Men

 

[Gordyola]

Yes, I know. Yours was a daft reply considering you know she’s Dutch.

Totally missing the point then, aren't we? Why has England got got a manager who cant be proud like the players?

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

This. I have found this tournament very watchable as the jump in the women’s game over the last decade is ridiculously huge and there for all to see, it just shows what investment brings. I feel we are experiencing the perfect storm in the sense that the quality/skills are now there but the desire to win at all costs is the key component, this results in nothing being left on the pitch to win a game.. which is what it’s about. It’s pure and sincere and reminds me of football being played in a cage or on a heath on a Sunday morning, you are there to win the game not gain instagram numbers or money. Quite refreshing really.

I think they just need to be a bit careful. For women’s football to be successful, I think it needs a clear point of difference from the men’s game.
For me, one of the aspects I particularly like(d) about the women’s game was its lack of play acting, holding up imaginary yellow card, diving, screaming when not touched and, of course, incessant time wasting.
However, in this championship, all those things have been all too evident, much to its detriment.
Women’s football will never be men’s football and they should celebrate that by not try to emulate it.

 

[normskih]

Totally missing the point then, aren't we? Why has England got got a manager who cant be proud like the players?

I am totally lost. All I was pointing out was the fact that Chloe Kelly said that she was proud to be English and I was so pleased to hear that because you don’t often hear it and she obviously is. That is all I was saying.

 

[supercity88]

I think they just need to be a bit careful. For women’s football to be successful, I think it needs a clear point of difference from the men’s game.
For me, one of the aspects I particularly like(d) about the women’s game was its lack of play acting, holding up imaginary yellow card, diving, screaming when not touched and, of course, incessant time wasting.
However, in this championship, all those things have been all too evident, much to its detriment.
Women’s football will never be men’s football and they should celebrate that by not try to emulate it.

I still think it's a lot more physical and there's a lot less play acting. Some of the late/crunching tackles would easily be yellow/red cards in the men's game but just get blown as fouls in the women's game. Spain don't tend to like the physical side of the game, but in the large majority the game flows a lot better and there aren't as many stoppages for free kicks, which is positive.

 

[mexico1970]

I think they just need to be a bit careful. For women’s football to be successful, I think it needs a clear point of difference from the men’s game.
For me, one of the aspects I particularly like(d) about the women’s game was its lack of play acting, holding up imaginary yellow card, diving, screaming when not touched and, of course, incessant time wasting.
However, in this championship, all those things have been all too evident, much to its detriment.
Women’s football will never be men’s football and they should celebrate that by not try to emulate it.

Even on this thread people compare it, in fact it's compared all of the time. Some people only moan if someone compares it negatively it's a little like force grieving in North Korea everyone has to do it.

The ladies did well. but it's an altogether different sport really.

 

[normskih]

I think they just need to be a bit careful. For women’s football to be successful, I think it needs a clear point of difference from the men’s game.
For me, one of the aspects I particularly like(d) about the women’s game was its lack of play acting, holding up imaginary yellow card, diving, screaming when not touched and, of course, incessant time wasting.
However, in this championship, all those things have been all too evident, much to its detriment.
Women’s football will never be men’s football and they should celebrate that by not try to emulate it.

If you notice the play acting was only by a couple of teams, namely Italy and Spain. I can’t seem recall the other teams doing it so much. The fans made a lot of noise when one or two of the Spanish girls started diving. In particular the little left sided player, she was at it most of the match.
The incessant comparison between men’s and women’s football is becoming a bore. For physicality compare boys to men’s instead.
Attendances were higher than the last tournament and the last tournament was in the UK and that was well attended. Matches are very much a family affair, unlike most men’s football. No one is trying to emulate men’s football. I for one love men’s football, I’ve watched it from being a young girl growing up in a family dominated by my Dad’s influence of being a City fan. But there is a place for women’s football in this world now and some men don’t like it but it is here to stay especially as the women’s team have been successful. So, as you say, lets celebrate the success and hope a lot of young girls out there are getting there boots on as we speak.

 

[Mon Autre]

I think they just need to be a bit careful. For women’s football to be successful, I think it needs a clear point of difference from the men’s game.
For me, one of the aspects I particularly like(d) about the women’s game was its lack of play acting, holding up imaginary yellow card, diving, screaming when not touched and, of course, incessant time wasting.
However, in this championship, all those things have been all too evident, much to its detriment.
Women’s football will never be men’s football and they should celebrate that by not try to emulate it.

Did you watch the Italy game lol? The shithousing in that game was second to none.

 

[mexico1970]

If you notice the play acting was only by a couple of teams, namely Italy and Spain. I can’t seem recall the other teams doing it so much. The fans made a lot of noise when one or two of the Spanish girls started diving. In particular the little left sided player, she was at it most of the match.
The incessant comparison between men’s and women’s football is becoming a bore. For physicality compare boys to men’s instead.
Attendances were higher than the last tournament and the last tournament was in the UK and that was well attended. Matches are very much a family affair, unlike most men’s football. No one is trying to emulate men’s football. I for one love men’s football, I’ve watched it from being a young girl growing up in a family dominated by my Dad’s influence of being a City fan. But there is a place for women’s football in this world now and some men don’t like it but it is here to stay especially as the women’s team have been successful. So, as you say, lets celebrate the success and hope a lot of young girls out there are getting there boots on as we speak.

There's room for both hopefully.

 

[HelloCity]

Yeah, she's definitely "a spoilt brat." She is from a working class family, played with her older brothers, and their mates, in West London football cages. Her brothers would tell her she needs to toughen the fuck up if she complained about something.

During covid, she and her quarantine housemates, seemed to be constantly training, if you believe social media. My daughter is football mad and would watch her, Jill Scott,.and others, to keep up with her training.

The woman has worked for what she's gotten and where she is in her footballing life. If you don't have kids who are high level athletes you maybe don't understand. I do, and have posted about it before but I will again for your sake.

I have a daughter, not the footballer, who has been selected internationally. Her local club coach destroyed her love of the game to the point where she wanted to quit altogether, not unlike Taylor did to Chloe Kelly. Ultimately, she left and went on to play elsewhere. She's thriving again. Males and females "play differently" psychologically. It is a fact.

The woman has worked her arse off for much of her life to be be at this level. In my mind, Taylor had it out for her for whatever reason. If you look at the likes and comments on her social media when she was forcing her way out, other WSL players, current and former City players, and Lionesses, liked and commented. She is clearly well liked by people who actually know her, and her situation at the time.

Big fucking deal, she celebrates when she wins. She, and Agye, were gamechangers all tournament for this squad. I'll not hold it against her to celebrate. It's no skin off my back. They won the tournament and England is 2x European Champions in part because of her efforts. And guess what? Despite what some people think, it doesn't make me any less of a Blue for feeling this way.

I agree.

It’s pretty obvious a lot of the players struggled with Taylor’s people management ‘skills’.

 

[jamielowndes]

Did you watch the Italy game lol? The shithousing in that game second to none.

Yeah this "no diving in women's football" thing is horseshit. Watch Brazil, Argentina, Italy, even Spain last night. Its there.

 

[mattcity5]

I think they just need to be a bit careful. For women’s football to be successful, I think it needs a clear point of difference from the men’s game.
For me, one of the aspects I particularly like(d) about the women’s game was its lack of play acting, holding up imaginary yellow card, diving, screaming when not touched and, of course, incessant time wasting.
However, in this championship, all those things have been all too evident, much to its detriment.
Women’s football will never be men’s football and they should celebrate that by not try to emulate it.

You're right, I've said similar.

However I don't think they're trying to emulate men with the negative aspects, I think it just comes about when the matches become more important and there's more pressure. Any way to influence the ref and help the team as a result becomes a positive. Difficult to prevent - the ref yesterday didn't help in that regard by falling for it time and time again.

 

[mexico1970]

You're right, I've said similar.

However I don't think they're trying to emulate men with the negative aspects, I think it just comes about when the matches become more important and there's more pressure. Any way to influence the ref and help the team as a result becomes a positive. Difficult to prevent - the ref yesterday didn't help in that regard by falling for it time and time again.

It's not the women who are trying to make the comparison, it's some of the fans and the media, instead of congratulation the ladies for winning another major tournament the media and some fans become adversarial and it begins from there.

Someone on here compared Bronzes fractured tibia to Trautmans broken neck last night, if Bronze did have a fully fractured tibia what absolute weapon allowed her to go on the pitch?

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

I agree.

It’s pretty obvious a lot of the players struggled with Taylor’s people management ‘skills’.

He did a terrible job and in the process lost some of the best players in Europe

 

[St.Pauli support]

If you notice the play acting was only by a couple of teams, namely Italy and Spain. I can’t seem recall the other teams doing it so much. The fans made a lot of noise when one or two of the Spanish girls started diving. In particular the little left sided player, she was at it most of the match.
The incessant comparison between men’s and women’s football is becoming a bore. For physicality compare boys to men’s instead.
Attendances were higher than the last tournament and the last tournament was in the UK and that was well attended. Matches are very much a family affair, unlike most men’s football. No one is trying to emulate men’s football. I for one love men’s football, I’ve watched it from being a young girl growing up in a family dominated by my Dad’s influence of being a City fan. But there is a place for women’s football in this world now and some men don’t like it but it is here to stay especially as the women’s team have been successful. So, as you say, lets celebrate the success and hope a lot of young girls out there are getting there boots on as we speak.

Spot on! Every single word.

Btw, I think you mean Olga, disgusting. Ref allowing it was even worse.

And of course we have room for the ladies like in every other sport.
It was there for decades and now it's growing simply because tv coverage is growing even for domestic matches (in Germany), and human brains are impressed by pictures, action and celebrating fans. Money makers know how t works...

 

[mexico1970]

Spot on! Every single word.

Btw, I think you mean Olga, disgusting. Ref allowing it was even worse.

And of course we have room for the ladies like in every other sport.
It was there for decades and now it's growing simply because tv coverage is growing even for domestic matches (in Germany), and human brains are impressed by pictures, action and celebrating fans. Money makers know how t works...

Attendances in the WSL are actually down, maybe this win will spike them again who knows.

 

[johnevans]

If you notice the play acting was only by a couple of teams, namely Italy and Spain. I can’t seem recall the other teams doing it so much. The fans made a lot of noise when one or two of the Spanish girls started diving. In particular the little left sided player, she was at it most of the match.
The incessant comparison between men’s and women’s football is becoming a bore. For physicality compare boys to men’s instead.
Attendances were higher than the last tournament and the last tournament was in the UK and that was well attended. Matches are very much a family affair, unlike most men’s football. No one is trying to emulate men’s football. I for one love men’s football, I’ve watched it from being a young girl growing up in a family dominated by my Dad’s influence of being a City fan. But there is a place for women’s football in this world now and some men don’t like it but it is here to stay especially as the women’s team have been successful. So, as you say, lets celebrate the success and hope a lot of young girls out there are getting there boots on as we speak.

Spot on.. well done to the girls for last night and here's to more of the same at future tournaments.. plus our City Women's team thriving too!

Mind, one thing I could do without is the match commentators, whatever channel they're on. They're just as bad as the herberts we have to put up with in the men's game! If it were up to me, whether it be a men's or women's match, I'd prefer it to be Marcel Marceau and Jacques Tati behind the microphones!

 

[Lovebitesandeveryfing]

I think they just need to be a bit careful. For women’s football to be successful, I think it needs a clear point of difference from the men’s game.
For me, one of the aspects I particularly like(d) about the women’s game was its lack of play acting, holding up imaginary yellow card, diving, screaming when not touched and, of course, incessant time wasting.
However, in this championship, all those things have been all too evident, much to its detriment.
Women’s football will never be men’s football and they should celebrate that by not try to emulate it.

I don't disagree with you — it's been manifest — but actually I'd turn it the other way round. It's the men's game that really needs sorting out now. We should not accept it, as paying, faithful supporters.
Two things, specifically, are now seriously impairing my spontaneous enjoyment of the game, and that's been the case for about five years. Firstly, VAR, and the way it's used — outrageously intrusive now, completely undermining the authority of the onfield referee.
And the play acting in the men's game, that has become like a blight.
I'd give out a firm directive to the VAR officials to only intervene when it is a clear and obvious error. This would mean that they must not be replaying and scrutinising every instant of the game. If — in real time, like the onfield ref —the VAR refs have seen that the onfield one has missed something big, then yes, they should get in his ear. Not otherwise. VAR will not be abandoned, not now, but it must — for the health of the game as a spectacle — be used much more sparingly, much more intelligently.
And as a City supporter, I'll take my chances on that, and have faith that it will level out over the season for all clubs.
Secondly, a clear directive to onfield refs, at the start of a season — first match day, second if necessary — to yellow card anyone they were convinced were play acting (and that includes taking a dive in the area to get a penalty). It would mean fifty or sixty yellow cards would be handed out (and consequently several reds) on the very first day of the season, and there'd be outrage and rioting in the streets, but believe it, it would stop it dead in its tracks. And would reset the game to an improved version of it that would be beneficial to all. I don't much like rugby as a sport, but one thing I do like, very much, is that there is very little play acting. I am now disgusted by it. It's rare from City players, but even then, I intensely dislike it.

 

[Lee the Blue]

Attendances in the WSL are actually down, maybe this win will spike them again who knows.

Problem with the WSL are that may of the games just arent competitive.

When Arsenal or Chelsea play the bottom 6 theres little or no chance of an upset result. Even watching City Women in some of these games - vs Palace / Bristol City / Leicester etc is frankly boring as hell, and with 2 daughters who play football and someone who regularly attends City Women games Im not sticking the boot in for the sake of it.

The other feeling you get with City, and indeed other clubs like Liverpool, United, Spurs, Everton for example is that they are fielding teams but not particularly committed to winning. Arsenal and Chelsea's Womens teams certainly are and thats why they hoover up 80-90% of the trophies.

Ive said it before but the main difference between the Mens and Womens games is the international team focus. In the Mens game club football is everything and International football very much 2nd best - in the Womens game its the exact reverse.