The Labour Government

[metalblue]

Q. So why isn't Starmer coming out and saying that he and the UK will recognise Palestine?

A. Because Trump is in the room and he does not have a mind of his own and will say whatever he has to to whoever he has to. He is spineless and shit scared of Trump.

You wait, when Trump has gone he will be Schmoosing up to Macron and the EU saying what they want him to say. FFS man wake up and grow some balls and show some leadership.... talk about Truss being a wet lettuce

Unfortunately that’s politics for you

 

[M18CTID]

Regards your last point, I think he’s hugely more popular amongst EU leaders because he’s their greatest chance of getting the UK effectively if not literally back in the EU, fees and all. He must be like a breath of fresh air given Starmer’s a fully paid up Europhile.

One of the most surreal things I've ever seen on this forum is you flipping from being a staunch Remainer to a staunch Brexiter!

 

[hampshireblue]

Sorry no, not Ric's mate. But rates? What do you mean?

Don't know why I've spent so much time on here lately. It's a supreme waste of time but it kind of draws you in, doesn't it.

The mix of posters, some who agree with you and others who disagree. Then you have the stalkers who will make a point of disagreeing with every single thing you might say. Claim the earth is round and some moron will pick holes in it.

It's a fascinating insight into human psyche.

He's probably referring to me who merely pointed out his "facts" were incorrect and then proved he's an out and out liar.

 

[Postman Pep]

Corbyn's wife is the Labour Party Comms Officer -could explain a lot about their last 12 months communications

Eh what?

You mean Schneider's wife. A lot of people are understandingly suspicious of this but maybe you are onto something and she is the 'plant', rather than him ;-)

 

[metalblue]

Starmer cant say he wasnt given good advice.
Look at his face !

TBF to Starmer it’s hard to make sense of what he is hearing. It’s like he tips out a tin of alphabetti spaghetti and just says whatever he can see. Obviously it’s the best tin of alphabetti spaghetti they have ever seen.

 

[BlueHammer85]

One of the most surreal things I've ever seen on this forum is you flipping from being a staunch Remainer to a staunch Brexiter!

especially considering the outcome.

 

[hilts]

Whatever he does it’s a pile on, it’s relentless but just the way it is nowadays.

Yeah no other politician has ever been piled on before on Bluemoon or in the media in general.

It definitely stated nowadays with Starmer.

Pmsl mate there is defending someone who you rate(others may not) and there is trying to rewrite history.

 

[hilts]

TBF to Starmer it’s hard to make sense of what he is hearing. It’s like he tips out a tin of alphabetti spaghetti and just says whatever he can see. Obviously it’s the best tin of alphabetti spaghetti they have ever seen.

His general point was no wars, low tax, low energy bills win elections. Now Trump is obviously a fucking idiot but it's not that difficult to grasp the madmans musings on this occasion.

Dealing with Trump must be a nightmare though, on a personal level everyone has a line.

For me he gets a pass with Trump to get Trade deals etc... but on the current situation in the middle east no-one should be anything other than out spoken and forthright on that situation.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Yeah no other politician has ever been piled on before on Bluemoon or in the media in general.

It definitely stated nowadays with Starmer.

Pmsl mate there is defending someone who you rate(others may not) and there is trying to rewrite history.

Don't deny that, whoever is PM or a MP is in the firing line as has always been the case.
But i feel we are in a new dawn with social media since Labour have come into power and Musk/Trump.
Social Media probably has more influence than mainstream media now and it is becoming a hot bed of political hate more and more, scrolling through clips before and it was mainly footie, music, odd funny fall over video etc - now it is pure toxic, peado beatings, migrant protests, anti Muslim, violent clashes etc., most of my mates who has social media say the same - it's taken a dark turn for sure this last year.

 

[hampshireblue]

His general point was no wars, low tax, low energy bills win elections. Now Trump is obviously a fucking idiot but it's not that difficult to grasp the madmans musings on this occasion.

Dealing with Trump must be a nightmare though, on a personal level everyone has a line.

For me he gets a pass with Trump to get Trade deals etc... but on the current situation in the middle east no-one should be anything other than out spoken and forthright on that situation.

Maybe we'll hear something more substantive after the cabinet meeting today and Lammy makes his speech at a conference in NY that the US have shunned.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

I was never going to be his biggest fan but I am genuinely surprised at how poor he has been. In opposition he appeared bland and uninspiring but at least seemed honest and competent. In government he remains bland and uninspiring but his image of honesty and competence has been shredded in a year. If that weren't bad enough he has lost control of the parliamentary party ( despite a huge majority ) to the extent where he couldn't even get through small savings in the Welfare budget that were crucial to Reeves and her credibility and a new Left wing party has emerged will take a good number of his MP's and spit his vote at the next election.
For the most part he looks ok on foreign policy but that really is about it. To be fair to him, I think he is hard working , in that respect at least that makes him an improvement on the idle chancer Johnson, I think he does genuinely care ( in his misguided way) which in that respect makes him an improvement on Cameron.Truss doesn't count, I don't think he is an upgrade on Sunak.
I know we are only a year in but I think the die is cast, as he was told today and as I have said previously the next election will be won on immigration first and the economy second.He is done for on both already , the majority of the public know that and have already made up their minds that he needs to go and take his abysmal government with him. The frustration is that he has four more years , they are going to be excruciating.
That is a dreadful indictment of his premiership - in one year he had drained the hope of the electorate and the parliamentary Labour Party and left us with a shell of a government for four more years.

Surely it's too early to judge Starmer on the economy , and if you still want to, his record is similar to Sunacks is it not?

Sunack was a weak leader imo, he just lurched from one public mistake and humiliation to another. A multi millionaire wife who avoided paying the tax she owed was a public relations disaster, he should have seen coming as PM. Immigration both legal and illegal was sky high during his term, much greater than it is now. And let's not forget the DDay fiasco.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

I think Sunak would’ve been better than he was if he didn’t have to mop Truss’s shit up. May was the safe and unspectacular choice after Cameron jumped ship, and Cameron himself wasn’t too bad until he caved in to those in his own party who wanted a vote on Brexit.
Starmer might be lacking in charisma at times and domestically he could’ve handled the whole WFA and Welfare bill issues a lot better, but he seems quite well respected on the international stage.

Did you think Sunack had charisma?

 

[Chippy_boy]

Surely it's too early to judge Starmer on the economy , and if you still want to, his record is similar to Sunacks is it not?

Sunack was a weak leader imo, he just lurched from one public mistake and humiliation to another. A multi millionaire wife who avoided paying the tax she owed was a public relations disaster, he should have seen coming as PM. Immigration both legal and illegal was sky high during his term, much greater than it is now. And let's not forget the DDay fiasco.

Sunak's wife did not avoid paying tax she owed. That's probably libellous actually.

There is no suggestion that she broke any laws.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Sunak's wife did not avoid paying tax she owed. That's probably libellous actually.

There is no suggestion that she broke any laws.

With all due respect you need to understand the difference between tax avoidance and tax evasion.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Absolutely, Can tell the Farage lackies on here desperate to find any fault and lay into Starmer.

There was nothing that out the ordinary at all, he let Trump rabble and spout nonsense, chipped in a few times and once again diplomatically handled him well- it’s paying off, Trump can’t stop saying how great Starmer is and we’re getting better trade deals than the EU and other countries around the world. No wonder that upsets the anti Labour brigade.

In fairness , have you forgotten the endless barrage of criticism that you and others dished out to the previous Tory incumbents in the job?

I genuinely dont recall any praise for any of them from you or others that lean left on here?

If you are going to take the top job you need to be prepared to take the criticism fair or otherwise, as it comes with the job.

 

[BlueHammer85]

In fairness , have you forgotten the endless barrage of criticism that you and others dished out to the previous Tory incumbents in the job?

I genuinely dont recall any praise for any of them from you or others that lean left on here?

I praised them at the time during covid and keeping the economy and also especially for the support to Ukraine - it was mainly criticism though because they had become a shambles and pretty much wrecked everything - the anti Labour brigade seems to have wiped the 14 years of Tories from their memories and attacked Labour from day 1 expecting instant change - It's no surprise, I called how unbearable the right would be once Labour in power. Is what it is.

 

[Hertzblue]

Surely it's too early to judge Starmer on the economy , and if you still want to, his record is similar to Sunacks is it not?

Sunack was a weak leader imo, he just lurched from one public mistake and humiliation to another. A multi millionaire wife who avoided paying the tax she owed was a public relations disaster, he should have seen coming as PM. Immigration both legal and illegal was sky high during his term, much greater than it is now. And let's not forget the DDay fiasco.

I don't think its to early at all to judge him on the economy, what are you waiting for , the Autumn budget ? He's done already. Sunak was putting things together again after the covid disaster ( admittedly some of the covid decisions were partly his own but I honestly believe mainly driven by the idiot Johnson), and showing signs he could slowly turn things around.
As for lurching from one public mistake and humiliation to another, have you not been watching Starmer lately ?
Wives - Did you see Starmers yesterday ? Blimey , what fun they must have. No wonder a night out with the boys seems attractive.
Immigration OK , that's a draw . Both utterly abysmal.

 

[hampshireblue]

I don't think its to early at all to judge him on the economy, what are you waiting for , the Autumn budget ? He's done already. Sunak was putting things together again after the covid disaster ( admittedly some of the covid decisions were partly his own but I honestly believe mainly driven by the idiot Johnson), and showing signs he could slowly turn things around.
As for lurching from one public mistake and humiliation to another, have you not been watching Starmer lately ?
Wives - Did you see Starmers yesterday ? Blimey , what fun they must have. No wonder a night out with the boys seems attractive.
Immigration OK , that's a draw . Both utterly abysmal.

So Sunak was "slowly turning things around" from decisions taken over 14 years and yet you think Labour should have it all turned round in less than 14 months?

What have the wives got to do with anything?

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

I praised them at the time during covid and keeping the economy and also especially for the support to Ukraine - it was mainly criticism though because they had become a shambles and pretty much wrecked everything - the anti Labour brigade seems to have wiped the 14 years of Tories from their memories and attacked Labour from day 1 expecting instant change - It's no surprise, I called how unbearable the right would be once Labour in power. Is what it is.

Fair enough on the covid economy and Ukraine. But my point stands, if you take the top job you should be prepared for the criticism fair or not, it goes with the territory. Im sure Starmer isn't bothered. Just like those before him.

 

[M18CTID]

Did you think Sunack had charisma?

No mate. I just think he'd have done better if he hadn't had the unenviable task of following Truss. Following Johnson would've been bad enough in iteslf but adding Truss to the mix just made his job harder.