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M18CTID said:
It’s fucking hilarious mate. All that video is is Trump doing the usual and waffling on about how fucking great he is and blowing smoke up his own arse. Actually, he blows smoke up Starmer’s arse for a few seconds, saying he’s getting tough on immigration.

Any **** who thinks that clip is embarrassing for Starmer is almost as big a **** as Trump is. Trump does that shit all the fucking time and the best thing to do is not to rise to it. That’s the right thing to do when dealing with a narcissist at the extreme end of the spectrum, especially one who just happens to be the president of the world’s most powerful country. Just like Zelenskyy didn’t rise to Trump’s - and Vance’s - bullying tactics back in February and instead let it go over his head.
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Absolutely, Can tell the Farage lackies on here desperate to find any fault and lay into Starmer.

There was nothing that out the ordinary at all, he let Trump rabble and spout nonsense, chipped in a few times and once again diplomatically handled him well- it’s paying off, Trump can’t stop saying how great Starmer is and we’re getting better trade deals than the EU and other countries around the world. No wonder that upsets the anti Labour brigade.
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
I find it really strange that after watching the likes of Chris Mason, who always comes across as anti-Starmer, tell everybody that Starmer’s had a good day, I then see all these little clips and posts on here, some from yesteryear, saying how much of a weasel, gimp, etc, that he is.

That old clip of Trump telling the reporter to be quiet, posted as if it was today, made me realise that people will believe anything if they want to. May as well be MAGA.
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It’s very sad how so many have been brainwashed by social media clips.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
How do you think he compares with his recent predecessors? To be honest he comes across as better than the last three for me. Jury is out on May and Cameron as he has not been im the job long enough.

He does need to get a slightly better deal for the UK with the US, as we had a trade balance. But its not easy dealing with Trump is it.
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I think Sunak would’ve been better than he was if he didn’t have to mop Truss’s shit up. May was the safe and unspectacular choice after Cameron jumped ship, and Cameron himself wasn’t too bad until he caved in to those in his own party who wanted a vote on Brexit.
Starmer might be lacking in charisma at times and domestically he could’ve handled the whole WFA and Welfare bill issues a lot better, but he seems quite well respected on the international stage.
 
M18CTID said:
I think Sunak would’ve been better than he was if he didn’t have to mop Truss’s shit up. May was the safe and unspectacular choice after Cameron jumped ship, and Cameron himself wasn’t too bad until he caved in to those in his own party who wanted a vote on Brexit.
Starmer might be lacking in charisma at times and domestically he could’ve handled the whole WFA and Welfare bill issues a lot better, but he seems quite well respected on the international stage.
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Regards your last point, I think he’s hugely more popular amongst EU leaders because he’s their greatest chance of getting the UK effectively if not literally back in the EU, fees and all. He must be like a breath of fresh air given Starmer’s a fully paid up Europhile.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Regards your last point, I think he’s hugely more popular amongst EU leaders because he’s their greatest chance of getting the UK effectively if not literally back in the EU, fees and all. He must be like a breath of fresh air given Starmer’s a fully paid up Europhile.
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Yeh, because sticking two fingers up to Europe and leaving the Union has really worked well for us.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Regards your last point, I think he’s hugely more popular amongst EU leaders because he’s their greatest chance of getting the UK effectively if not literally back in the EU, fees and all. He must be like a breath of fresh air given Starmer’s a fully paid up Europhile.
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And India-phile, America-phile, etc.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Mrs just said he’s in the wrong job. He should be running the UN, or maybe be President if the European Council or some other bureaucratic job he’d be well suited for. He obviously finds trying to run the UK rather tiresome.
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I’ve decided that you could be a decent person to have a pint with, and a decent conversation, but you are only here for clicks during a quiet period.

Are you Ric’s mate, how much are your rates?
 
Vic said:
What did people expect Starmer to do while Trump was being Trump?

Pull faces? Roll his eyes? Punch the idiot?

Seems like others appreciated the earlier incident where he interrupted Trump.

www.pbs.org

Britain's Starmer presses Trump on 'desperate' food crisis in Gaza during meeting in Scotland

Starmer is using Monday's closed-door discussions to urge Trump to help address the food crisis in Gaza amid the ongoing conflict there between Israel and Hamas.
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Whatever he does it’s a pile on, it’s relentless but just the way it is nowadays.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Absolutely, Can tell the Farage lackies on here desperate to find any fault and lay into Starmer.

There was nothing that out the ordinary at all, he let Trump rabble and spout nonsense, chipped in a few times and once again diplomatically handled him well- it’s paying off, Trump can’t stop saying how great Starmer is and we’re getting better trade deals than the EU and other countries around the world. No wonder that upsets the anti Labour brigade.
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So is everything Trump says nonsense, or just everything apart from when he says how great Starmer is, when presumably you think Trump is spot on.

I can imagine you must be terribly conflicted by all of this, although I presume you’ll find a way to think that Starmer looked great today. Just a hunch, like.
 
Q. So why isn't Starmer coming out and saying that he and the UK will recognise Palestine?

A. Because Trump is in the room and he does not have a mind of his own and will say whatever he has to to whoever he has to. He is spineless and shit scared of Trump.

You wait, when Trump has gone he will be Schmoosing up to Macron and the EU saying what they want him to say. FFS man wake up and grow some balls and show some leadership.... talk about Truss being a wet lettuce
 
BigJoe#1 said:
Q. So why isn't Starmer coming out and saying that he and the UK will recognise Palestine?

A. Because Trump is in the room and he does not have a mind of his own and will say whatever he has to to whoever he has to. He is spineless and shit scared of Trump.

You wait, when Trump has gone he will be Schmoosing up to Macron and the EU saying what they want him to say. FFS man wake up and grow some balls and show some leadership.... talk about Truss being a wet lettuce
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Nope.

www.declassifieduk.org

Israel lobby funded half of Keir Starmer’s cabinet

Exclusive: Labour’s top team has accepted hundreds of thousands of pounds from pro-Israel funders.
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Churchlawtonblue said:
How do you think he compares with his recent predecessors? To be honest he comes across as better than the last three for me. Jury is out on May and Cameron as he has not been in the job long enough.

He does need to get a slightly better deal for the UK with the US, as we had a trade balance. But its not easy dealing with Trump is it.
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I was never going to be his biggest fan but I am genuinely surprised at how poor he has been. In opposition he appeared bland and uninspiring but at least seemed honest and competent. In government he remains bland and uninspiring but his image of honesty and competence has been shredded in a year. If that weren't bad enough he has lost control of the parliamentary party ( despite a huge majority ) to the extent where he couldn't even get through small savings in the Welfare budget that were crucial to Reeves and her credibility and a new Left wing party has emerged will take a good number of his MP's and spit his vote at the next election.
For the most part he looks ok on foreign policy but that really is about it. To be fair to him, I think he is hard working , in that respect at least that makes him an improvement on the idle chancer Johnson, I think he does genuinely care ( in his misguided way) which in that respect makes him an improvement on Cameron.Truss doesn't count, I don't think he is an upgrade on Sunak.
I know we are only a year in but I think the die is cast, as he was told today and as I have said previously the next election will be won on immigration first and the economy second.He is done for on both already , the majority of the public know that and have already made up their minds that he needs to go and take his abysmal government with him. The frustration is that he has four more years , they are going to be excruciating.
That is a dreadful indictment of his premiership - in one year he had drained the hope of the electorate and the parliamentary Labour Party and left us with a shell of a government for four more years.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
.................... there are very many people (probably a majority) who welcome and support legal immigration but who are as equally firm against illegal immigration - and I am in that number.
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As am I and a great many others

It just suits the narrative that some push to play the racist card
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
I’ve decided that you could be a decent person to have a pint with, and a decent conversation, but you are only here for clicks during a quiet period.

Are you Ric’s mate, how much are your rates?
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Sorry no, not Ric's mate. But rates? What do you mean?

Don't know why I've spent so much time on here lately. It's a supreme waste of time but it kind of draws you in, doesn't it.

The mix of posters, some who agree with you and others who disagree. Then you have the stalkers who will make a point of disagreeing with every single thing you might say. Claim the earth is round and some moron will pick holes in it.

It's a fascinating insight into human psyche.
 
stan bowles said:
Might have rejected it, but all NHS nurses (and all other AFC staff) will be getting the new increased rates (plus 4 months back pay) in their August pay.
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Yes, they get it anyway even if they vote to say it’s not enough.

The whole AFC is shit, nurses need their own pay spine at a minimum but I’d go further than that and individualise pay, national pay awards foster inefficiency - there is no direct incentive for an individual to do anything differently or above and beyond, you rely on an individuals natural desire to do different which often runs in to people who don’t want to do different and gets no where. I know of one nursing team who had to pull out the stops and work a lot harder due to reduced workforce, their reward at the end? A certificate to put on the fridge, you know like them swimming certificates we used to get as kids. It was truly motivational.
 
Brewster's millions said:
So is everything Trump says nonsense, or just everything apart from when he says how great Starmer is, when presumably you think Trump is spot on.

I can imagine you must be terribly conflicted by all of this, although I presume you’ll find a way to think that Starmer looked great today. Just a hunch, like.
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Not much to be conflicted about.
We’re keeping Trump sweet for trade deal purposes only - Starmer has played the hand well.
 
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