Right back options

simon23 said:
Agree with all of that except we don't have 2 good players in that position. We simply don't....You state that Lewis got picked over walker as a way of saying how good he is....but then ignore the fact that Nunes who has never played fullback took his place at the back end of last season

Neither are good enough. And while you are correct and we shouldn't rush into buying a fullback and if the club have assessed Livramento and said he ain't the player or not worth the money then that's fine.....but we do need a full back
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I am of the opinion that they are underdeveloped at the position. Time will tell if they are good enough.

Unlike most, im simply not going to conclude before the evidence is in, I think Rico has World Class potential. I see a lot of Dani Carvajal in him. And Nunes was damn good towards the dnd of last season. Was that real or just a purple patch? I'd like to find out. I'm not against a fullback acquisition per see. But don't see a dire weakness here that requires an 80 million fix-up
 
BringBackSwales said:
Yes I know I meant why call him Vini which is a kind of affectionate Steve macmanamanaman name for him? It’s a bit like saying Trent or Rio for me, doesn’t feel right at all
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I don't see it that way. The lad wears "Vini Jr" on the back of his shirt. It's apparently the name he prefers.

If we met and you said, "My name's Joseph. But please, call me Joe," I would call you "Joe" when we spoke. It would simply be calling you the name you prefer out of respect for your preference.

I don't see it being the same as saying "CR7" or "Fergie" (pfffftt).
 
Dax777 said:
A mere 2 years ago, Lewis was more highly rated than Tino . There is a reason he has 5 international appearances to Tino's 1. Its because he was that highly rated. I'd give it to you that he doesn't touch Tino in athleticism. And Tino is supreme in the air. It really depends on the year you pick in the last 2. 2 years ago Lewis was rated higher, he and his team then had a bad season while Tino had a great season with his club (from an expectation standpoint). So Tino is now considered better on last season's performance. This does not make Lewis chopped liver. Nor does it mean he cant overtake Tino again. He very sure can.

They are both good prospects. Tino has more physical tools. Rico has more tactical and cerebral tools

I know you are one of those guys who doesn't rate Rico. he is not everyone's cup of tea. That's okay. But he is a damn fine Right back prospect. Just like Tino.
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Sorry. By who was he rated higher ? The only thing that kept Livramento back was the ACL injury. For many he was the future RB even with TAA and James out there.
 
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Dax777 said:
A mere 2 years ago, Lewis was more highly rated than Tino . There is a reason he has 5 international appearances to Tino's 1. Its because he was that highly rated. I'd give it to you that he doesn't touch Tino in athleticism. And Tino is supreme in the air. It really depends on the year you pick in the last 2. 2 years ago Lewis was rated higher, he and his team then had a bad season while Tino had a great season with his club (from an expectation standpoint). So Tino is now considered better on last season's performance. This does not make Lewis chopped liver. Nor does it mean he cant overtake Tino again. He very sure can.

They are both good prospects. Tino has more physical tools. Rico has more tactical and cerebral tools

I know you are one of those guys who doesn't rate Rico. he is not everyone's cup of tea. That's okay. But he is a damn fine Right back prospect. Just like Tino.
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Rico is a good prospect but not as a RB. I'm not trying to be harsh but if he weren't a home grown lad from the academy he wouldn't get a sniff at the RB position at City. The question on Rico is can he develop into a Man City level mid fielder. Otherwise he'll need to move on. Not slagging him off. It's just the reality of the situation...
 
bondsman said:
Nunes and Lewis are weaknesses. They don’t get anywhere near Liverpool Arsenal or Chelsea first 11. Maybe even their squads at RB. Neither actually is a RB god knows what Rico’s position is and Nunes is a bang average CM who our owner manager says can’t play midfield. To suggest they aren’t weaknesses is just daft.
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Disagree on Nunes. He may turn out to be a better option at RB than Frimpong. We'll have to wait and see on that...as far as Arsenal goes IMO there aren't 3 other RBs in the world that start over Timber so saying Nunes wouldn't make it into Arsenal's line up is no great stain on Nunes...
 
There's a few posters on here who consistently regurgitate the same crap with every post. Don't know whether they're just very miserable supporters (out of towners I'd suspect) or it's a clear attempt to wind up other members on the forum.
 
better dead than red said:
I don't see it that way. The lad wears "Vini Jr" on the back of his shirt. It's apparently the name he prefers.

If we met and you said, "My name's Joseph. But please, call me Joe," I would call you "Joe" when we spoke. It would simply be calling you the name you prefer out of respect for your preference.

I don't see it being the same as saying "CR7" or "Fergie" (pfffftt).
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He’s a **** and a disrespectful one too, a horrible wankstain of a player at a wankstain of a club
 
Dax777 said:
A mere 2 years ago, Lewis was more highly rated than Tino . There is a reason he has 5 international appearances to Tino's 1. Its because he was that highly rated. I'd give it to you that he doesn't touch Tino in athleticism. And Tino is supreme in the air. It really depends on the year you pick in the last 2. 2 years ago Lewis was rated higher, he and his team then had a bad season while Tino had a great season with his club (from an expectation standpoint). So Tino is now considered better on last season's performance. This does not make Lewis chopped liver. Nor does it mean he cant overtake Tino again. He very sure can.

They are both good prospects. Tino has more physical tools. Rico has more tactical and cerebral tools

I know you are one of those guys who doesn't rate Rico. he is not everyone's cup of tea. That's okay. But he is a damn fine Right back prospect. Just like Tino.
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I totally disagree with this. I for one wanted Tino at Southampton before the injury, and he’s pushed on and is only going to get better. Rico hasn’t looked anything close to being competent in that position which is exactly why the club and most of us supporters are open to a big money move for him. If Rico was the answer this thread and the clubs obvious interest would not exist. I know you love him, but Rico is not a viable option in that position if we want to compete at the top end again, to my mind he’s never shown anything close to what Tino has shown as a RB.
 
Cobwebcat said:
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I approve this message.

Not necessarily the player he has suggested, but rather the underlying principle of what he thinks we need.

I'd even go as far as to suggest that the underlying principle this guy espouses is probably similar to that of our front office personnel and that's why it has led them to the Tino Livramento interest

Everything he describes about El Hilal, comfortably describes Livramento. Not as good on the ball as Rico, not as good on the counter as Nunes but defensively far more solid, athletically superior and has youth and time on his side to develop those other characteristics.

Looked at in that light, its alao easy to aee why the front office is balking at an 80 mil price tag. Thats what you pay for a Kyle Walker athlete with the passing abilities of TAA. Not a rotational defensively sound prospect.
 
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