It's Quiet the £250m return

any interest in Ortega? odd I see nothing. any Bundesliga clubs? feels like his reputation went down in the market last 12 months. doubt we would ask for high fee.
 
cheekybids said:
Savio was a massive disappointment for me, flatters to deceive & can’t shoot.
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Wonder how different the conversation would be if he'd contributed 9 goals by scoring 8 and assisting 1?

He's 21, he can learn to shoot (scored 9 in la liga to make their TOTY btw), and its just fundamentally incredible unlucky to shoot at a 2% conversion rate - the lowest in Europe.

If he just shoots 10% (as a pure regression to the norm) its 5 goals.
 
cheekybids said:
Savio was a massive disappointment for me, flatters to deceive & can’t shoot.
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Unfair. He can shoot
Unfortunately he’s more of a danger to the stewards in Row Z than the opposition goalkeeper
Read a stat today that suggested he had the worst shot conversion rate in the entire league last season
If they up the bid to £60m when Eze inevitably turns them down, then rip Levy’s arm off
 
cheekybids said:
Savio was a massive disappointment for me, flatters to deceive & can’t shoot.
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While I don't fully agree with that.. one can easily argue.. Erling and Foden made him look good by finishing.

The problem last season clearly was no one could get the ball to our strikers!

Nunes seems to do a good job there especially at the tail end of last season!
 
NQCitizen said:
Wonder how different the conversation would be if he'd contributed 9 goals by scoring 8 and assisting 1?

He's 21, he can learn to shoot (scored 9 in la liga to make their TOTY btw), and its just fundamentally incredible unlucky to shoot at a 2% conversion rate - the lowest in Europe.

If he just shoots 10% (as a pure regression to the norm) its 5 goals.
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I don’t see it, I wanted to & there was glimpses but his lack of composure in front of goal was as big a problem as our defence. If we’d have put our chances away we’d have terrified teams but we kept them in it. I’m not aware of his stats just what I see but if you say his conversion rate is 2% that’s not bad luck, that’s wank.
 
NQCitizen said:
I don't disagree entirely but if we end up with only 6 attackers for 4 places and Savinho leaving so we can have all of Akanji, Ake, Stones as our 4/5/6th choices at CB or 3/4th choice full backs I'd think that was a poor distribution of resources.
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Haaland, Marmoush, Doku, Foden, Bobb, Cherki, Reijnders, Echeverri. There's 8 without savinho and then there's Bernardo and O'Reilly who can operate further forward and potentially mukasa offering another option. We're not short in attack. Perhaps in variety, some may even argue quality but not in numbers.
 
LongsightM13 said:
Unfair. He can shoot
Unfortunately he’s more of a danger to the stewards in Row Z than the opposition goalkeeper
Read a stat today that suggested he had the worst shot conversion rate in the entire league last season
If they up the bid to £60m when Eze inevitably turns them down, then rip Levy’s arm off
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You literally don't sell low on someone with a horribly low conversion rate because its incredibly likely to revert to the norm. He scored 9 goals the season before.

That's honestly a reason to keep a player, statistically.

If he scored a unrealistic amount of his shots and scored 1 goal, that is when you should worry.
 
Gabriel said:
That was the same for Grealish, for Doku, goodness even Haaland for large chunks of last season. We had a collective stinker but we shouldn’t be offloading young talent on the back of that.
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I agree with all of those, especially the big man missing last season but Savio really couldn’t hit a barn door. I’ve just been told 2%…… that’s 1 goal every 50 shots….. fucking hell.
 
ninjamonkey said:
Haaland, Marmoush, Doku, Foden, Bobb, Cherki, Reijnders, Echeverri. There's 8 without savinho and then there's Bernardo and O'Reilly who can operate further forward and potentially mukasa offering another option. We're not short in attack. Perhaps in variety, some may even argue quality but not in numbers.
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Reijnders should be in midfield and Eche will go on loan. 1 injury to Foden or Doku (which is basically inevitable) and that's 5 guys for 4 roles 3 games a week, 1 of who has played the equivalent of 10 senior games ever. Bernardo can't play in the front 4 and has O'Reilly ever?
 
Blue_Lightsaber said:
While I don't fully agree with that.. one can easily argue.. Erling and Foden made him look good by finishing.

The problem last season clearly was no one could get the ball to our strikers!

Nunes seems to do a good job there especially at the tail end of last season!
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I think we did struggle getting the ball to our strikers, 3 players on Haaland but that left space & opportunities for others & he couldn’t take them.
 
Savinho will most likely turn into an assist monster but is shit because he can’t score. This comes from the same people who defended Grealish over a year who scored 1 goal and assisted just 2 for 100m while being in his prime by the way
 
NQCitizen said:
You literally don't sell low on someone with a horribly low conversion rate because its incredibly likely to revert to the norm. He scored 9 goals the season before.

That's honestly a reason to keep a player, statistically.

If he scored a unrealistic amount of his shots and scored 1 goal, that is when you should worry.
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That’s nonsense mate, some players just can’t finish unless you think we should bid for the spotty number 9 from the Rags.
 
cheekybids said:
I agree with all of those, especially the big man missing last season but Savio really couldn’t hit a barn door. I’ve just been told 2%…… that’s 1 goal every 50 shots….. fucking hell.
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He won't shoot 2% again, that's almost statistically guaranteed.

He scored 9 goals in la liga in one year.

Even last season he had 52% shot accuracy. To score only 4% of those is almost unrepeatable.

Simply way more than 1 in 41 shots usually goes in, via deflection, keeper error whatever.

99th percentile for dribbling, key passes and assisting (that's pretty good)
 
Blue_Lightsaber said:
While I don't fully agree with that.. one can easily argue.. Erling and Foden made him look good by finishing.

The problem last season clearly was no one could get the ball to our strikers!

Nunes seems to do a good job there especially at the tail end of last season!
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There’s a lot to be said for abandoning the inverted wingers bullshit. Everyone in the league has sussed it now
 
NQCitizen said:
Reijnders should be in midfield and Eche will go on loan. 1 injury to Foden or Doku (which is basically inevitable) and that's 5 guys for 4 roles 3 games a week, 1 of who has played the equivalent of 10 senior games ever. Bernardo can't play in the front 4 and has O'Reilly ever?
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Reijnders will be used more as what we would call a 10 than anything this season I suspect. We'll be looking for his running to offer us something different and chip in with goals. I also dont think we'll be going with a front 4 every game, some games, sure but i think we'll look to tighten up a bit with a more solid 4-3-3 fairly often too, leaving 1 fewer attacking spot to fill, particularly if we are deploying ait-nouri and nunes as attacking fullbacks.

I too expect Echeverri to be loaned out but until he is, he remains an option. Bernardo has played more games for us in the front 4 than in midfield, i want to see him purely in the middle myself but we can't just dismiss him as an option. O'reilly was brought through the academy as an attacking midfielder, whether we ever actually see him there for the first team is a valid question but thats his position.
 
NQCitizen said:
He won't shoot 2% again, that's almost statistically guaranteed.

He scored 9 goals in la liga in one year.

Even last season he had 52% shot accuracy. To score only 4% of those is almost unrepeatable.

Simply way more than 1 in 41 shots usually goes in, via deflection, keeper error whatever.

99th percentile for dribbling, key passes and assisting (that's pretty good)
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That’s a big call
 
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