People trying to bring the government down, or just chaos?

BobKowalski said:
This year is a write off on the numbers. The Govt might as well just take the lumps for it and put it in the rear view. They have three and half years to sort this.

Firstly, by clearing the back log and keeping on top of new applications. Secondly, by demonstrating the value of the send back program with France and building on that. If you reduce the value in making the crossing then crossings will drop and if you incentivise those applicants who don’t make the crossing, ie one in, one out, then you are likely to reduce the optics of those arriving by boat.

They need to build a narrative of a steady decline in crossings and the visible front print of migrant hotels etc. Unfortunately, building a narrative is not this Govts strongpoint, but fingers crossed, the numbers will hopefully sell the story :)
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Visible front print ?
 
BigJoe#1 said:
It would be much more preferable if they actually did and delivered on what they said they were going to, as opposed to doing what they have done for the last 14 months which is building narratives which people are clearly beginning to see through.

Just you keep them fingers crossed everyone, it will be as just as useful and more likely to deliver success thsn snything thst has gone before.
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What did they say they would deliver ? And what narrative have they been putting out ?
 
BobKowalski said:
This year is a write off on the numbers. The Govt might as well just take the lumps for it and put it in the rear view. They have three and half years to sort this.

Firstly, by clearing the back log and keeping on top of new applications. Secondly, by demonstrating the value of the send back program with France and building on that. If you reduce the value in making the crossing then crossings will drop and if you incentivise those applicants who don’t make the crossing, ie one in, one out, then you are likely to reduce the optics of those arriving by boat.

They need to build a narrative of a steady decline in crossings and the visible front print of migrant hotels etc. Unfortunately, building a narrative is not this Govts strongpoint, but fingers crossed, the numbers will hopefully sell the story :)
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Agree, this is the plan. The problem is they will be drowned out by the GB News brigade no matter what, I really don’t know how Labour can combat that. The opposition don’t want to hear anything remotely positive that Labour do.
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
50,000 people coming here illegally and billions spent is a failure in my opinion. 1 year or not. The numbers only seem to be going up.

Both the tories and labour have been poor on this. We can only judge labour on what they have done so far and it doesn’t seem to be making much difference at all.
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Billions spent ?
 
BigJoe#1 said:
It would be much more preferable if they actually did and delivered on what they said they were going to, as opposed to doing what they have done for the last 14 months which is building narratives which people are clearly beginning to see through.

Just you keep them fingers crossed everyone, it will be as just as useful and more likely to deliver success thsn snything thst has gone before.
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Not even remotely true. The Govt couldn’t sell a narrative if it was hand written by Hans Christian Andersen. They are a bunch of nerdy technocrats who can a) reduce the backlog of asylum cases, because they are already doing so, and b) work with the French and put together the beginnings of a returns program.

I am amazed that after watching this Govt in action for a year, you are unable to identify its failings.
 
The government has created the chaos by choosing policies not consistent with the Labour Party. They told us they are the party of “working” people, well what about the not working people.? Pensioners, children, unemployed, sick, disabled and immigration.

After the last fourteen years of inadequate government to find the country still in chaos ruled by inexperienced politicians.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Agree, this is the plan. The problem is they will be drowned out by the GB News brigade no matter what, I really don’t know how Labour can combat that. The opposition don’t want to hear anything remotely positive that Labour do.
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Imagine that?

A political opposition that doesn’t want to acknowledge anything a government does.

Have you woke from a lifelong coma because I’m 54 and I’ve yet to see an opposition that clapped everything done and didn’t want to take over at the next election.

Ask yourself what the oppositions job is in politics lol
 
Ohrodneyrodney said:
To be as fair as I can, to try to claim that the reason the numbers are going through the roof is because the immigrants and the traffickers know the government is about to get tough is probably one of the most absurd things I’ve ever read.
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It’s not though is it, it’s completely logical. They know we are clamping down on Immigration, they know we are passing legislation and doing deals with France and the EU, now is the time to get here asap. I suspect many thousands will be desperate to get here before we have more tighter controls in place.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
It’s not though is it, it’s completely logical. They know we are clamping down on Immigration, they know we are passing legislation and doing deals with France and the EU, now is the time to get here asap. I suspect many thousands will be desperate to get here before we have more tighter controls in place.
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Lolz at the sheer desperation and naivety of this.

Check the fucking numbers out ffs, it’s going from bad to worse!
 
blueinsa said:
Lolz at the sheer desperation and naivety of this.

Check the fucking numbers out ffs, it’s going from bad to worse!
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As I say, our deal with France has only just begun - that’s going to take time to factor in, we still have border bills to be passed through parliament.
Both these will have a big impact come next years figures.
We have made record deportations and clamped down massively on illegal workers.
This isn’t a easy task after 14 years of Tory failure.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Agree, this is the plan. The problem is they will be drowned out by the GB News brigade no matter what, I really don’t know how Labour can combat that. The opposition don’t want to hear anything remotely positive that Labour do.
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If people feel that things are improving then they will vote accordingly.

Forget the soundbites of what is promised, it's the delivering (or not) that makes the difference.

It's that sodding simple.
 
mackenzie said:
If people feel that things are improving then they will vote accordingly.

Forget the soundbites of what is promised, it's the delivering (or not) that makes the difference.

It's that sodding simple.
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I’m skeptical on this, I feel even if people ‘feel’ better off they will still be pent up and angry over migrants, wealthy farmers being taxed, Palestine marches, people on benefits etc. in fact most Reform people I know are doing just fine in their lives but they are full of anger about everything.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
I’m skeptical on this, I feel even if people ‘feel’ better off they will still be pent up and angry over migrants, wealthy farmers being taxed, Palestine marches, people on benefits etc. in fact most Reform people I know are doing just fine in their lives but they are full of anger about everything.
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something which cannot be good for a persons health both mental and physical
 
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