People trying to bring the government down, or just chaos?

[Petethemancinleeds]

Sadly if there was a transfer market, deadline for politicians theyd all be free transfers. So uninspiring .

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

This year is a write off on the numbers. The Govt might as well just take the lumps for it and put it in the rear view. They have three and half years to sort this.

Firstly, by clearing the back log and keeping on top of new applications. Secondly, by demonstrating the value of the send back program with France and building on that. If you reduce the value in making the crossing then crossings will drop and if you incentivise those applicants who don’t make the crossing, ie one in, one out, then you are likely to reduce the optics of those arriving by boat.

They need to build a narrative of a steady decline in crossings and the visible front print of migrant hotels etc. Unfortunately, building a narrative is not this Govts strongpoint, but fingers crossed, the numbers will hopefully sell the story :)

The one in one out policy needs to be seen In action before any conclusions could be drawn. According to quite vague press reports I’ve read (can’t see any firm policy explanation on line) to benefit from the legal application route you have to be documented, have your identify verified and submit to background checks. There is an i newspaper article which also suggests you might have to have a credible case for asylum. On that latter point, if so, why don’t you claim in France but I digress…..On the former points, i can see quite a few people just carrying on chancing the boats tbh.


But it is a new policy so we shall see

 

[meltonblue]

The one in one out policy needs to be seen In action before any conclusions could be drawn. According to quite vague press reports I’ve read (can’t see any firm policy explanation on line) to benefit from the legal application route you have to be documented, have your identify verified and submit to background checks. There is an i newspaper article which also suggests you might have to have a credible case for asylum. On that latter point, if so, why don’t you claim in France but I digress…..On the former points, i can see quite a few people just carrying on chancing the boats tbh.


But it is a new policy so we shall see

Same reasons why so many are still risking crossing the channel.

 

[BobKowalski]

If people feel that things are improving then they will vote accordingly.

Forget the soundbites of what is promised, it's the delivering (or not) that makes the difference.

It's that sodding simple.

Pretty much. The Government is elected to solve issues and improve the country to the satisfaction of the population - well, enough of the population to vote for it again.

Labour have another three or so years to prosecute their case and then there will be a verdict.

 

[grunge]

Has to be said there is a sharp rise in the last few weeks/Months of ( what looks like bots posting them ) posting things like "Londons dead" "Manchesters gone to shit" showing a video that could have been anywhere showing a crime taking place, usually by a non white person and then posting some anti immigration comment.

I saw one yesterday with a Tick sheet of "Things you need to go out in London, Stab vest, phone security chain, etc, etc etc ( listed about 6 things I cant remember )", thankfully that had a community note saying London rated as one of the safest places by insurers.

while there is no doubt crimes happen, and no doubt some immigrants do commit crimes. the sharp rise in social posts about it is a clear indicator someones trying to stir shit up.

Russian bots were found to be doing this exact thing in Germany last year ( might have been the year before ), some Russian bot farms were found and even the remit they were given was part of that discovery. and that was to spread discontent so German public lowered support for Ukraine by making them believe there were significant issues at home that needed urgent attention over Ukraine.

there's plenty of other articles on it as its been on going and there was clear evidence of trying to influence the German election early this year.

Russian bots attack Germany: Ministry report

Russians are conducting mass disinformation attacks on Germany. Experts at the country's Ministry of Foreign Affairs exposed the Kremlin’s systematic bot campaign on the social media platform X (Twitter). Official Berlin is concerned about potential Moscow interference in elections, as reported...

www.ukrainianworldcongress.org

So all in all, yes there are issues in the UK. But there are in my view external forces at play here trying to whip up trouble.

 

[law74]

It’s not how it works I’m afraid but fear not, Labour will be gone soon and you can spend at least 5 years on social media doing exactly what you spend most days moaning about and that is, slagging the government off and demanding a change.

Thankfully we will have another 9 years of Labour government as deform will melt once they start getting asked serious questions about important issues like workers rights, our NHS, tax policies, and their already abysmal record in local government, the self servatives are still in disarray and Bad Enoch hasn't a clue with no one in her shadow cabinet appearing to understand even basic economics.
Meanwhile Labour are continuing to make small steps in the right direction with reducing waiting lists, renters rights etc

 

[BlueHammer85]

Thankfully we will have another 9 years of Labour government as deform will melt once they start getting asked serious questions about important issues like workers rights, our NHS, tax policies, and their already abysmal record in local government, the self servatives are still in disarray and Bad Enoch hasn't a clue with no one in her shadow cabinet appearing to understand even basic economics.
Meanwhile Labour are continuing to make small steps in the right direction with reducing waiting lists, renters rights etc

I’m unsure but hopefully you are right.

 

[inbetween]

Thankfully we will have another 9 years of Labour government as deform will melt once they start getting asked serious questions about important issues like workers rights, our NHS, tax policies, and their already abysmal record in local government, the self servatives are still in disarray and Bad Enoch hasn't a clue with no one in her shadow cabinet appearing to understand even basic economics.
Meanwhile Labour are continuing to make small steps in the right direction with reducing waiting lists, renters rights etc

This is where people sort of fall for spin. NHS waiting lists have fallen but the actual numbers are totally irrelevant.

Waiting lists were previously 7.42m and now they're 7.39m.... that's a fall of 0.4%. They've barely even scratched the surface and they're 1/5th into their term. Surely people want change now or preferably yesterday instead of at this rate when they're dead in 95 years time?

Labour don't stand a chance. The only reason why they won in the first place is because the right of the vote was split in half so it's an opportunistic government at best.

Starmer received the least votes of any governmental party for a very long time, less than 15% of the electorate so it's barely even a mandate really. Even Theresa May did better and in the end she was voted one of the worst PM's in history.

The only way Labour can win today is with a left focused leader. I wouldn't have voted for him but if Labour could get Jeremy Corbyn without the baggage and older age then they might stand a chance. As it stands they're just a softer version of the Tory party and everybody still hates them.

 

[BlueHammer85]

This is where people sort of fall for spin. NHS waiting lists have fallen but the actual numbers are totally irrelevant.

Waiting lists were previously 7.42m and now they're 7.39m.... that's a fall of 0.4%. They've barely even scratched the surface and they're 1/5th into their term. Surely people want change now or preferably yesterday instead of at this rate when they're dead in 95 years time?

Labour don't stand a chance. The only reason why they won in the first place is because the right of the vote was split in half so it's an opportunistic government at best.

Starmer received the least votes of any governmental party for a very long time, less than 15% of the electorate so it's barely even a mandate really. Even Theresa May did better and in the end she was voted one of the worst PM's in history.

The only way Labour can win today is with a left focused leader. I wouldn't have voted for him but if Labour could get Jeremy Corbyn without the baggage and older age then they might stand a chance. As it stands they're just a softer version of the Tory party and everybody still hates them.

They had Corbyn before and lost twice.
The right is more split now with Reform on the rise than what it was last election.
The only chance Labour have is if people are actually able to see the positive changes they’re are making and not be drowning in a tidal wave of outrage from the right wing media and social media that is happening.

 

[Don Karleone]

They had Corbyn before and lost twice.
The right is more split now with Reform on the rise than what it was last election.
The only chance Labour have is if people are actually able to see the positive changes they’re are making and not be drowning in a tidal wave of outrage from the right wing media and social media that is happening.

You voted for Corbyn afaik. Why would you go to bat for people who prevented a Labour government? The current crop in charge did that.

People have only seen this government take from the vulnerable. Show me how my life is better as a carer, for instance. Or, how will it be better?

 

[I'm With Stupid]

They had Corbyn before and lost twice.
The right is more split now with Reform on the rise than what it was last election.
The only chance Labour have is if people are actually able to see the positive changes they’re are making and not be drowning in a tidal wave of outrage from the right wing media and social media that is happening.

Corbyn lost but he got 3 million more votes than Starmer did. He just wasn’t lucky enough to be up against Rishi following Truss.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Show me how my life is better as a carer, for instance. Or, how will it be better?

From April 2025, the weekly earnings limit for Carer's Allowance increased from £151 to £196. This change allows carers to earn approximately £2,000 more per year while still receiving the benefit.

Unpaid Leave Introduced: Since April 2024, carers are legally entitled to one week of unpaid Carer’s Leave annually, as enshrined in the Carer’s Leave Act 2023.

Paid Leave on the Horizon: The Labour government is actively reviewing the potential for paid Carer’s Leave, aiming to understand its impact and feasibility—especially for smaller employers.

Long-Term Reform: Labour is moving toward the creation of a National Care Service, modeled after the NHS, to standardize care quality and access.

Expanding home adaptations via additional Disabled Facilities Grants—£86 million released, funding around 7,800 extra adaptations.

Introducing national assistive technology standards to benefit individuals and carers alike.

Boosting integration between NHS and social care services, including shared records and support capabilities.

Inquiries and consultations (such as the government’s Pathways to Work Green Paper) are being conducted to assess the impact of welfare reforms on unpaid carers, including changes affecting Personal Independence Payment (PIP) and related benefits like Carer’s Allowance.

A cross-departmental review is underway to explore how different government departments can better align to support unpaid carers.

Fair Pay Agreements: Labour pledged to ensure care workers earn at least the real living wage (currently around £12/hour, or £13.15 in London) through collective bargaining. These pay reforms aim to improve recruitment and retention in the care sector, which directly supports the quality of care provided by both paid and unpaid carers.

 

[Don Karleone]

From April 2025, the weekly earnings limit for Carer's Allowance increased from £151 to £196. This change allows carers to earn approximately £2,000 more per year while still receiving the benefit.

Unpaid Leave Introduced: Since April 2024, carers are legally entitled to one week of unpaid Carer’s Leave annually, as enshrined in the Carer’s Leave Act 2023.

Paid Leave on the Horizon: The Labour government is actively reviewing the potential for paid Carer’s Leave, aiming to understand its impact and feasibility—especially for smaller employers.

Long-Term Reform: Labour is moving toward the creation of a National Care Service, modeled after the NHS, to standardize care quality and access.

Expanding home adaptations via additional Disabled Facilities Grants—£86 million released, funding around 7,800 extra adaptations.

Introducing national assistive technology standards to benefit individuals and carers alike.

Boosting integration between NHS and social care services, including shared records and support capabilities.

Inquiries and consultations (such as the government’s Pathways to Work Green Paper) are being conducted to assess the impact of welfare reforms on unpaid carers, including changes affecting Personal Independence Payment (PIP) and related benefits like Carer’s Allowance.

A cross-departmental review is underway to explore how different government departments can better align to support unpaid carers.

Fair Pay Agreements: Labour pledged to ensure care workers earn at least the real living wage (currently around £12/hour, or £13.15 in London) through collective bargaining. These pay reforms aim to improve recruitment and retention in the care sector, which directly supports the quality of care provided by both paid and unpaid carers.

Nowt then, thank you.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Nowt then, thank you.

Quite the opposite of nowt.

 

[Don Karleone]

Quite the opposite of nowt.

My apologies, you're correct. We get a review.

 

[BlueHammer85]

My apologies, you're correct. We get a review.

14 years of Tories.
1 year of Labour. they're doing more already.

 

[inbetween]

They had Corbyn before and lost twice.
The right is more split now with Reform on the rise than what it was last election.
The only chance Labour have is if people are actually able to see the positive changes they’re are making and not be drowning in a tidal wave of outrage from the right wing media and social media that is happening.

Corbyn was heavily burdened by Brexit and that eventually destroyed him. He did really well in the 2017 election and had he been in charge of Labour last year then he would have won comfortably and probably with a much larger majority than Starmer got. I don't like him or his policies but he'd at least make a rapid and positive case.

I don't think that Labour are losing out because of the media because this suggests that they're doing amazing things that are being washed away but I don't see any of these things. The reality is the changes are feeble or intangible and often they're given with one hand whilst taking with the other. The perception for many is that one year later very little has actually changed and in some circles it has got worse.

As I mentioned on waiting lists they've brought NHS waiting lists down by 0.4%, is that really something to celebrate after over a year? They'll then claim that they're bringing waiting lists down but are they really? If I had a queue of 1000 people and I reduced it to 999 then you'd need to be a good salesman to sell that you're doing a great job.

That is however all that these politicians do on a daily basis, they're nothing but lying disingenuous salesmen.

 

[blueinsa]

From April 2025, the weekly earnings limit for Carer's Allowance increased from £151 to £196. This change allows carers to earn approximately £2,000 more per year while still receiving the benefit.

Unpaid Leave Introduced: Since April 2024, carers are legally entitled to one week of unpaid Carer’s Leave annually, as enshrined in the Carer’s Leave Act 2023.

Paid Leave on the Horizon: The Labour government is actively reviewing the potential for paid Carer’s Leave, aiming to understand its impact and feasibility—especially for smaller employers.

Long-Term Reform: Labour is moving toward the creation of a National Care Service, modeled after the NHS, to standardize care quality and access.

Expanding home adaptations via additional Disabled Facilities Grants—£86 million released, funding around 7,800 extra adaptations.

Introducing national assistive technology standards to benefit individuals and carers alike.

Boosting integration between NHS and social care services, including shared records and support capabilities.

Inquiries and consultations (such as the government’s Pathways to Work Green Paper) are being conducted to assess the impact of welfare reforms on unpaid carers, including changes affecting Personal Independence Payment (PIP) and related benefits like Carer’s Allowance.

A cross-departmental review is underway to explore how different government departments can better align to support unpaid carers.

Fair Pay Agreements: Labour pledged to ensure care workers earn at least the real living wage (currently around £12/hour, or £13.15 in London) through collective bargaining. These pay reforms aim to improve recruitment and retention in the care sector, which directly supports the quality of care provided by both paid and unpaid carers.

Reads like a Chat GPT answer.

 

[hampshireblue]

I'd give up DK some people just cannot acknowledge that their beloved leader can ever make mistakes - I give you N Korea and Russia for example.

Just make sure you don't get the posse (@BlueHammer85 , @Vic and @west didsblue ) after you for criticising anything Labour do.

And some people can't admit it when their hated party (for whatever reason) does something good or constructive. It works both ways.

 

[hilts]

Etc is doing a lot of heavy lifting to make up for the Mail, Express, Sun, Telegraph and Times

The fact that there doesn't appear to be many successful newspapers to the left should hint at a rather depressing truth, this country is a bit further to the right than we probably thought it.was.
On the face of it when Labour got in you could have thought we are moving left but then we saw how the votes were split and how this Labour govt were acting.
We voted against incompetence, law breaking and with a bit of desperation. We didn't vote in enough numbers for a change of direction.