People trying to bring the government down, or just chaos?

[hilts]

Not even remotely true. The Govt couldn’t sell a narrative if it was hand written by Hans Christian Andersen. They are a bunch of nerdy technocrats who can a) reduce the backlog of asylum cases, because they are already doing so, and b) work with the French and put together the beginnings of a returns program.

I am amazed that after watching this Govt in action for a year, you are unable to identify its failings.

You want blueuntrue to write labour's narrative ?

 

[hilts]

It’s not though is it, it’s completely logical. They know we are clamping down on Immigration, they know we are passing legislation and doing deals with France and the EU, now is the time to get here asap. I suspect many thousands will be desperate to get here before we have more tighter controls in place.

Yeah they were fleeing for their lives quite apathetically and wandered thru Europe taking in the alps, castles and the eiffel Tower, plonked themselves on a beach with a brandy and cigar and chilled.
Maybe next week gangster bloke, no rush.
That's one of the better ones I must admit:-)

Anyhow hot summer and the reports that more are successful.mean more try would be my reasoning.

 

[hilts]

Pretty much. The Government is elected to solve issues and improve the country to the satisfaction of the population - well, enough of the population to vote for it again.

Labour have another three or so years to prosecute their case and then there will be a verdict.

They may get 20% of the population and 32% of the votes again. That gets a big majority. Wonder what a smaller majority and just scraping it looks like?

 

[west didsblue]

The fact that there doesn't appear to be many successful newspapers to the left should hint at a rather depressing truth, this country is a bit further to the right than we probably thought it.was.
On the face of it when Labour got in you could have thought we are moving left but then we saw how the votes were split and how this Labour govt were acting.
We voted against incompetence, law breaking and with a bit of desperation. We didn't vote in enough numbers for a change of direction.

Or maybe more newspaper proprietors are to the right which has an influence on the population in general?

 

[inbetween]

Or maybe more newspaper proprietors are to the right which has an influence on the population in general?

Newspaper circulations have fallen massively over the years so beyond their reach on online platforms they're becoming less influential and not more influential. Go on the Guardian website and they literally beg you for money right off the bat on the first page.

The obvious reason for this is social media but then social media is generally politically neutral because the content comes from the 'readers' and not the owners. If the country remains on the right then quite clearly that's because well more people do sit on the right.

It's well known that young people especially turn more conservative as they get older and I know I have. I would have been up there protesting as a Corbynite in my student years 20 years ago. Now it's very different because I have a house and family interests to protect which come above all else.

 

[hilts]

Or maybe more newspaper proprietors are to the right which has an influence on the population in general?

Can you name other industries where there is a gap in the market, the left or the more socially responsible if I can use that phrase in this case, but no one can be bothered filling it?
I wish it wasnt true but there can't be enough of the true left around in any great numbers. Because the class system is slowly dying or blurring, past Labour voters are less bothered about voting 'working class'.
Over the years I've met so many Labour supporters that had right wing views but they just voted like their patents. They were more anti tory anti posh than anything else. Or were a bit skint.
You are right though about the media allowing sections to become louder though. They feel safer now.
I always thought Labour should change their language and image instead those in power just actually changed.

 

[BlueHammer85]

obvious reason for this is social media but then social media is generally politically neutral because the content comes from the 'readers' and not the owners.

Are you sure ?

I still have Twitter, it’s completely bot ridden, check the profiles of the vast majority of accounts and they’re clearly fake bots regurgitating the same stories. Mainly right wing pro Trump/Musk accounts.

How TikTok bots and AI have powered a resurgence in UK far-right violence

Experts warn growth of extremist influencers and ‘micro-donations’ could create even bigger wave of unrest

www.theguardian.com

Partisan bot-like accounts amplify divisive content on X

Partisan bot-like accounts have amassed over 4 billion views for content on X, with some continuing to push divisive content after the UK General Election

globalwitness.org

Most Top News Sites Block AI Bots. Right-Wing Media Welcomes Them

Nearly 90 percent of top news outlets like 'The New York Times' now block AI data collection bots from OpenAI and others. Leading right-wing outlets like NewsMax and Breitbart mostly permit them.

www.wired.com

 

[Blackley_Blue]

Are you sure ?

I still have Twitter, it’s completely bot ridden, check the profiles of the vast majority of accounts and they’re clearly fake bots regurgitating the same stories. Mainly right wing pro Trump/Musk accounts.

How TikTok bots and AI have powered a resurgence in UK far-right violence

Experts warn growth of extremist influencers and ‘micro-donations’ could create even bigger wave of unrest

www.theguardian.com

Partisan bot-like accounts amplify divisive content on X

Partisan bot-like accounts have amassed over 4 billion views for content on X, with some continuing to push divisive content after the UK General Election

globalwitness.org

Most Top News Sites Block AI Bots. Right-Wing Media Welcomes Them

Nearly 90 percent of top news outlets like 'The New York Times' now block AI data collection bots from OpenAI and others. Leading right-wing outlets like NewsMax and Breitbart mostly permit them.

www.wired.com

And yet it's those on here to the left who repost and quote the fecking thing a thousand times per day.

 

[west didsblue]

Can you name other industries where there is a gap in the market, the left or the more socially responsible if I can use that phrase in this case, but no one can be bothered filling it?

The print media isn’t a big earner anymore irrespective of the editorial slant of the publication. The owners are more bothered about exerting influence because if they can get government policies to reflect what they want they make more money in other areas. In most cases for that to happen they need fairly right wing policies, hence the preponderance of right leaning publications.

In simple terms the question is are the mass media outlets there to reflect public opinion or are they there to shape public opinion. I think in recent years it’s the latter.

 

[blueinsa]

And yet it's those on here to the left who repost and quote the fecking thing a thousand times per day.

To then insist you go into the same box because you don’t always agree with them.

It’s infuriating as fuck but hey, if they want to spend their entire days trawling the web for right wing content they can throw about on here as some sort of confirmation of their own narratives and opinions then they can knock themselves out I suppose.

 

[hilts]

The print media isn’t a big earner anymore irrespective of the editorial slant of the publication. The owners are more bothered about exerting influence because if they can get government policies to reflect what they want they make more money in other areas. In most cases for that to happen they need fairly right wing policies, hence the preponderance of right leaning publications.

In simple terms the question is are the mass media outlets there to reflect public opinion or are they there to shape public opinion. I think in recent years it’s the latter.

Well for a start print media isn't the only media and there is plenty of money to be made from left wing policies, it's just too easy to dismiss the way the country is going is down to hoodwinked normal left wing folk being brainwashed.

 

[blueinsa]

Well for a start print media isn't the only media and there is plenty of money to be made from left wing policies, it's just too easy to dismiss the way the country is going is down to hoodwinked normal left wing folk being brainwashed.

It’s a comfort blanket narrative born out of “they don’t agree with me so there must be a reason? I know, they’re either thick or a tad bigoted and racist, yes, that will do, brainwashed by social media to boot. I know I’m right, I always am about everything, it makes me feel so much better about being right, again”

 

[west didsblue]

It’s a comfort blanket narrative born out of “they don’t agree with me so there must be a reason? I know, they’re either thick or a tad bigoted and racist, yes, that will do, brainwashed by social media to boot. I know I’m right, I always am about everything, it makes me feel so much better about being right, again”

Obviously no one’s influenced by what they read in the media because everyone does their own research into original sources of information. Makes you wonder why the media outlets bother.

 

[hilts]

Obviously no one’s influenced by what they read in the media because everyone does their own research into original sources of information. Makes you wonder why the media outlets bother.

I think they choose what to believe, confirmation bias. I'm not really sold on

If only they were as clever as me then they wouldn't fall for it argument.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

The print media isn’t a big earner anymore irrespective of the editorial slant of the publication. The owners are more bothered about exerting influence because if they can get government policies to reflect what they want they make more money in other areas. In most cases for that to happen they need fairly right wing policies, hence the preponderance of right leaning publications.

In simple terms the question is are the mass media outlets there to reflect public opinion or are they there to shape public opinion. I think in recent years it’s the latter.

You could argue that now there's no money in traditional media, if anything it only attracts people who can afford the losses seeking to influence the political landscape.

 

[BlueAnorak]

The Government is doing a fine job of wrecking the economy all by itself.
So that will eventually bring the government down all on it's own.

 

[west didsblue]

You could argue that now there's no money in traditional media, if anything it only attracts people who can afford the losses seeking to influence the political landscape.

That was my point.

 

[west didsblue]

I think they choose what to believe, confirmation bias. I'm not really sold on

If only they were as clever as me then they wouldn't fall for it argument.

75 million Americans voted against their own best interests for a lying criminal because they weren’t influenced at all by the media.

 

[hampshireblue]

75 million Americans voted against their own best interests for a lying criminal because they weren’t influenced at all by the media.

You forgot a smiley or lol!

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Obviously no one’s influenced by what they read in the media because everyone does their own research into original sources of information. Makes you wonder why the media outlets bother.

It’s also a mystery how people who don’t use Twitter coincidentally start debates based on what is being debated that day on there.