Gianluigi Donnarumma | Done deal according to Romano

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mosssideblue said:
Of course tide and time waits for no man. Rather than jumping in and trying to look smart, go back and look at the posts that I responded too.
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Again, nope. You were the one trying to be smart.

The post you responded to was trying to make the obvious point we shouldn't be considering someone 'older' than Ederson because they'd simply have a shorter or similar span left.

You trying to point out age isn't an issue by asking if age affected keepers was silly. As you well know, age affects everyone eventually. So all other things being equal, younger is better.

Hence his "they are all older than Ederson" claim. Its not to suggest 30somethings cant play, but rather not likely for as long as an equally talented 20 something year old.
 
Dax777 said:
Oblack and Garcia are clearly inferior. Allison i not better. Prime Courtois possibly better

Granted, they are all good goalkeepers. But for a mixture of youth, experience, size and good goalkeeping, Donnarunma is simply the best overall goalkeeper
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Statistically better than Allison and Courtois over the past couple seasons.
 
better dead than red said:
For some it's the "romance" of Trafford coming through the academy and eventually becoming our starting keeper, perhaps?

It's like with Foden (and don't misunderstand/misconstrue I really like Foden and think he is a good player). If an upgrade on him was presented to us, who wanted to join the team, there is a sizeable portion of blues who would automatically say no because Phil is "one of our own."

Now, I'm not saying this line of thinking is wrong or right. However, I do think that could be it for some.
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Foden is better than a good player. Criminally underrated by our own fans, if he played for someone else you would all be going mad about him.
 
Dax777 said:
Again, nope. You were the one trying to be smart.

The post you responded to was trying to make the obvious point we shouldn't be considering someone 'older' than Ederson because they'd simply have a shorter or similar span left.

You trying to point out age isn't an issue by asking if age affected keepers was silly. As you well know, age affects everyone eventually. So all other things being equal, younger is better.

Hence his "they are all older than Ederson" claim. It’s not to suggest 30somethings cant play, but rather not likely for as long as an equally talented 20 something year old.
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lol, letting your imagination run away now. A poster listed a few keepers who he thought were better than Donna. The response was they are older, inferring they couldn’t be. The ages of the keepers was marginal, compared to Donna
 
domalino said:
I always try to just defer judgement on transfers until they've been here a year and assume Pep and co. know best but this transfer feels so left field.

We clearly invested in Trafford as a future no.1. GK is not like any other position, he can't get good enough to take over just by playing cup games. Bringing him in with Ederson or Ortega around for a year or 2 to take pressure off made tons of sense, bringing in Donnarumma completely upends that plan which was seemingly made a few months ago.

That's before you even take into account the fact Donnarumma will not accept missing CL games, he's a massive drama queen, and despite being an exceptional shot-stopper, he's not particularly good with his feet (Hence why Luis Enrique wants rid) and he's not the best in the air either despite being massive.

It looks like we're changing plans on the fly and setting ourselves up for drama, because Trafford would be well within his rights to ask to leave if he was brought in to be #1 (the club's plans for GK would surely have been part of the discussions when he was signed) and ends up behind a 26 year old mega-signing on 300k/week.

Consider also the prospect that Trafford and Donnarumma compete on a level playing field and Trafford is better - not impossible given his better footwork, familiarity with English football and obvious potential - then we're stuck with an unsellable backup keeper on huge wages who's causing drama because he's not in the team.
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Yeah, but, shiny shiny!
 
domalino said:
I always try to just defer judgement on transfers until they've been here a year and assume Pep and co. know best but this transfer feels so left field.

We clearly invested in Trafford as a future no.1. GK is not like any other position, he can't get good enough to take over just by playing cup games. Bringing him in with Ederson or Ortega around for a year or 2 to take pressure off made tons of sense, bringing in Donnarumma completely upends that plan which was seemingly made a few months ago.

That's before you even take into account the fact Donnarumma will not accept missing CL games, he's a massive drama queen, and despite being an exceptional shot-stopper, he's not particularly good with his feet (Hence why Luis Enrique wants rid) and he's not the best in the air either despite being massive.

It looks like we're changing plans on the fly and setting ourselves up for drama, because Trafford would be well within his rights to ask to leave if he was brought in to be #1 (the club's plans for GK would surely have been part of the discussions when he was signed) and ends up behind a 26 year old mega-signing on 300k/week.

Consider also the prospect that Trafford and Donnarumma compete on a level playing field and Trafford is better - not impossible given his better footwork, familiarity with English football and obvious potential - then we're stuck with an unsellable backup keeper on huge wages who's causing drama because he's not in the team.
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Well said. You’ve explained it really well.

I think back a few years to when we singed Ederson, who was 23? Similar to Trafford in a lot of ways. Imagine if when we signed Ederson, we just went and spent 50m on another keeper and benched him.

We developed Ederson into a world class keeper, why not do that with Trafford?
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
How does a 22 year old keeper who’s already been first choice for a number of years develop, by sitting on the bench?
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Our second keeper should get 20 games a season if the cup campaigns don’t collapse and he’s shown capable to deputise in Prem by the time champs league knockouts come calling.

Ortega cost himself games last season with poor performances but had he played like season before he would have played more
 
Thaksinssoldier said:
Our second keeper should get 20 games a season if the cup campaigns don’t collapse and he’s shown capable to deputise in Prem by the time champs league knockouts come calling.

Ortega cost himself games last season with poor performances but had he played like season before he would have played more
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A top quality keeper who wants to play for his national side isn’t playing 20 games a season, most of which will be cup games against low quality sides.

Even Ortega wanted to leave because of lack of game time and not being first choice. I can’t think along any sides with essentially two first choice keepers - where one doesn’t end up leaving
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
A top quality keeper who wants to play for his national side isn’t playing 20 games a season, most of which will be cup games against low quality sides.

Even Ortega wanted to leave because of lack of game time and not being first choice. I can’t think along any sides with essentially two first choice keepers - where one doesn’t end up leaving
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I think Trafford will be in nets for next 2 games minimum which will get him the England call up. Should give him the chance.

I agree long term it could be an issue but right now we’d be mad to pass on having the problem.
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
How does a 22 year old keeper who’s already been first choice for a number of years develop, by sitting on the bench?
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Fair point but I am a Manchester City fan first and foremost. If I put a Trafford hat on, it's still a great opportunity and a great time to be at City. I think Ederson is almost certain to leave by June 2026, most probably to be followed by Ortega, so I think it's only a matter of time before City bring in an experienced keeper anyway.
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
A top quality keeper who wants to play for his national side isn’t playing 20 games a season, most of which will be cup games against low quality sides.

Even Ortega wanted to leave because of lack of game time and not being first choice. I can’t think along any sides with essentially two first choice keepers - where one doesn’t end up leaving
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Liverpool
 
mosssideblue said:
lol, letting your imagination run away now. A poster listed a few keepers who he thought were better than Donna. The response was they are older, inferring they couldn’t be. The ages of the keepers was marginal, compared to good one?"
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The response was that " they are older THAN Ederson". What else would be the relevance of bringing up Ederson's age in comparing other keepers to Donnarumma? Think about it. Someone lists 4 players better than Donnarumma, and another poster objects by saying they are older than Eddie.

What could be the relevance of that objection?
 
Dax777 said:
The response was that " they are older THAN Ederson". What else would be the relevance of bringing up Ederson's age in comparing other keepers to Donnarumma? Think about it. Someone lists 4 players better than Donnarumma, and another poster objects by saying they are older than Eddie.

What could be the relevance of that objection?
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Ok
 
Marvin. said:
Are you confident that Trafford would handle Arsenal's setpieces? I am pleased we have signed Trafford but I think it is better that he develops alongside an experienced gk.
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In his last PL season, Trafford won three times the amount of crosses into the box than Donnarumma did in the same season for Paris. Dealing with crosses are probably the weakest part of Donnarumma’s game.
 
I would prefer to stick with Trafford if Eddy goes. If we hadn't signed him Trafford then yes it would be a no brainer to go for him
 
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