Russian invasion of Ukraine

mosssideblue said:
Here's my conspiracy theory:

Following his 1-2-1 in the beast, this will have been discussed and agreed

Trump will come around to Europe's way of thinking
Trump will agree and tell Putin that he must immediately agree to a ceasefire within 48hrs "or else"
Zelensky will agree and abide by the ceasefire
Putin will create a falseflag attack and Trump will fall for it
Trump has an exit route without losing too much face

Watch this space
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Sadly probably true.
 
Blue Maverick said:
I hope Zelensky doesn’t wear a suit, if he does I guarantee Vance will point it out as a win for them, ****.
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Sure there's a saying somewhere like "clothes don't make the man" he could turn up there in a tutu and still be more respected than shitgibbon and and his buddy.
 
We all know what is going to happen. No deal will be agreed, Trump will attempt to save face and make another shitty public claim along the lines of "Ukraine arent being serious" in an attempt belittle and bully them into submission so that Trump can claim his win. Putin has him over a barrel so the only way Trump gets his win is pressuring Ukraine. The only hope is the EU delegation that have gone with him, back Ukraine.
 
ninjamonkey said:
We all know what is going to happen. No deal will be agreed, Trump will attempt to save face and make another shitty public claim along the lines of "Ukraine arent being serious" in an attempt belittle and bully them into submission so that Trump can claim his win. Putin has him over a barrel so the only way Trump gets his win is pressuring Ukraine. The only hope is the EU delegation that have gone with him, back Ukraine.
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The coilition of the willing are clear: no ceding of territory to Russia. Trumps policy appears to be to hand over the 5 territories in the east to Putin.
 
Silva Citizen said:
People do realise that one of the agreements that led to the end of WW2 was that the Ukraine would never join NATO. This is literally a written agreement in a treaty.
When the Ukraine and Europe started to explore the possibility then Putin would have been in his rights to go to war with both.
Is Trump trying to concede territory or is he trying to work within the boundaries played out in international agreements ?
Personally if I was Russian I would see the port at Sevastopol (Crimea) important to the national security and I wouldn’t want nato controlling it either. I’m not pro or anti Putin or Trump I try to see every situation as a single entity and I may be simplifying things a little but that is how I see this one (plus the arms sales benefit the EU).
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What about the international agreements Ukraine believed it was granted when handing over its nukes?

Trump abiding by international agreements, best one yet
 
Silva Citizen said:
People do realise that one of the agreements that led to the end of WW2 was that the Ukraine would never join NATO. This is literally a written agreement in a treaty.
When the Ukraine and Europe started to explore the possibility then Putin would have been in his rights to go to war with both.
Is Trump trying to concede territory or is he trying to work within the boundaries played out in international agreements ?
Personally if I was Russian I would see the port at Sevastopol (Crimea) important to the national security and I wouldn’t want nato controlling it either. I’m not pro or anti Putin or Trump I try to see every situation as a single entity and I may be simplifying things a little but that is how I see this one (plus the arms sales benefit the EU).
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wtf you on about end to WW2, defeating Germany led to end of that, had nothing to do with Ukraine that was part of ussr then.
 
Silva Citizen said:
People do realise that one of the agreements that led to the end of WW2 was that the Ukraine would never join NATO. This is literally a written agreement in a treaty.
When the Ukraine and Europe started to explore the possibility then Putin would have been in his rights to go to war with both.
Is Trump trying to concede territory or is he trying to work within the boundaries played out in international agreements ?
Personally if I was Russian I would see the port at Sevastopol (Crimea) important to the national security and I wouldn’t want nato controlling it either. I’m not pro or anti Putin or Trump I try to see every situation as a single entity and I may be simplifying things a little but that is how I see this one (plus the arms sales benefit the EU).
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So the war that ended in 1945 was conditional on non-membership of an alliance that was founded in 1949? I think you might be wrong there.
 
Zelenskyy arrived at the White House in a suit.! he bowed to pressure, now speaking in a press conference.

I can’t judge Trump he’s very contradictory, the suit questions asked again.
 
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