Savinho | City reject Spurs approach

[Gordyola]

How is any of that Rico's fault? He was the only one of FOUR defenders who got back to attempt a challenge. If he'd gone in full bloodied for the ball, it would have likely ended up as an own goal.

Cos he tracks back at a canter and only speeds up when he has been overtaken by the attacker

Correct. And had a 25 yard start on Johnson!

He did have a start on Johnson but not 25yds in this incident he was reminiscent of Walker many times loosing track of his man
It was a series of errors starting with Marmoush not preventing the punt up field
Dias not winning the header
Stones trying to play offside and slipping in the process
Are being too far up field he's next to Nico, he also got back though
Finally Rico loosing sight of his man and reacting too slowly
Ultimately its Pep's system fault
We dont have the pace in defence to recover unfortunately he's sat on the bench

 

[Dribble]

This is bang on and it's something I thought Pep would have moved on from after his failed experiment of having Akanji stepping into midfield from full back.

It leaves us far too exposed especially without the pace of someone like Walker

During the first three games of the CWC, Pep set us up in a more traditional tactical setup.

Against Al Hilal, he reverted to the inverted system which failed us last season. We lost & were on the next plane out of there.

Our problem is staring us in the face, but Guardiola is stubbornly sticking to this complex tactic which has been well & truly sussed out. I can't think of a top PL or CL team that we've beaten using Pep's inverted FB system since our mid-season collapse last November.

 

[Quinny851]

He did have a start on Johnson but not 25yds in this incident he was reminiscent of Walker many times loosing track of his man
It was a series of errors starting with Marmoush not preventing the punt up field
Dias not winning the header
Stones trying to play offside and slipping in the process
Are being too far up field he's next to Nico, he also got back though
Finally Rico loosing sight of his man and reacting too slowly
Ultimately its Pep's system fault
We dont have the pace in defence to recover unfortunately he's sat on the bench
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Just look at how high that defensive line is without any genuine pace. If we're sat 10/15 yards deeper then that goal doesn't happen.

 

[Gordyola]

Just look at how high that defensive line is without any genuine pace. If we're sat 10/15 yards deeper then that goal doesn't happen.

Exactly but it’s actually deeper than normal the CB are normally 30 yards from opponents goal slowly passing back and forth to each other

 

[Stoned Rose]

How is any of that Rico's fault? He was the only one of FOUR defenders who got back to attempt a challenge. If he'd gone in full bloodied for the ball, it would have likely ended up as an own goal.

The goal has collective fault.

Re Rico, he needs to:

1. be aware of what’s happening in the space to his right/behind him.

2. He needs to be quicker to get back to deal with the cross (prime Walker for example would’ve dealt with it no problem).

3. He needs to be “sprint fit” to maintain the required recovery sprint over distance.

Had he had 2 and 3 in his locker he’d have intercepted the cross without issue and wouldn’t need to go “full bloodied” at it.

So, yes, there are lots of faults in Rico’s part in that goal.

However, for me, if some of your defenders don’t have 2 and 3, you don’t play such a high line.

 

[Dribble]

He did have a start on Johnson but not 25yds in this incident he was reminiscent of Walker many times loosing track of his man
It was a series of errors starting with Marmoush not preventing the punt up field
Dias not winning the header
Stones trying to play offside and slipping in the process
Are being too far up field he's next to Nico, he also got back though
Finally Rico loosing sight of his man and reacting too slowly
Ultimately its Pep's system fault
We dont have the pace in defence to recover unfortunately he's sat on the bench
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This wouldn't have happened with a flat back 4 & a No 6 & No 8 ahead of the defence. It would've been 4 on 6 in our favour, with the two midfielders making those challenges leaving the defenders with the sole job of retreating & getting back into position.

 

[handsofstone]

Frustrates me Pep doesn’t giving him a run on the left wing

Also wouldn't mind seeing Doku on the right, dont know why we're have to have narrow wingers when we have Erling who needs crosses and space

Narrowing the pitch doesnt paly to his strengths

Honestly just miss the days of Sane left & Sterling right, we were electric

At least have one winger playing like an actual winger

 

[Dribble]

The goal has collective fault.

Re Rico, he needs to 1. be aware of what’s happening in the space to his right/behind him.

2. He needs to be quicker to get back to deal with the cross (prime Walker for example would’ve dealt with it no problem).

3. He needs to be “sprint fit” to maintain the required recovery sprint over distance.

Had he had 2 and 3 in his locker he’d have intercepted the cross without issue and wouldn’t need to go “full bloodied” at it.

So, yes, there are lots of faults in Rico’s part in that goal.

That's a totally reactive perspective. We could've/should've prevented this situation from occurring in the first place.

How many times have we been undone on the transition since last November? Every team we face does the same thing once our attacks fizzle out.

It doesn't matter who our personnel are, it generally ends the same way with a strong attempt on goal. Walker (the quickest RB in world football) was still at City when our collapse started last season, & he was promptly dropped. Even then, our collapse continued.

We've blamed Kyle, Rico, Akanji, Nunes & now we're blaming Rico again. The personnel keeps changing, but the end result is still the same. The only common denominator is the system our players are being instructed to perform.

At what point do we stop blaming the players, & begin to focus on our formation & tactics which have evidently been sussed out?

 

[Quinny851]

During the first three games of the CWC, Pep set us up in a more traditional tactical setup.

Against Al Hilal, he reverted to the inverted system which failed us last season. We lost & were on the next plane out of there.

Our problem is staring us in the face, but Guardiola is stubbornly sticking to this complex tactic which has been well & truly sussed out. I can't think of a top PL or CL team that we've beaten using Pep's inverted FB system since our mid-season collapse last November.

It's not that complex, it just doesn't work when you have teams who are happy to sit, wait and hit us on the transition at pace.

Our enormous success in the treble season came from Stones stepping into midfield. Why he's now moved away from that now when he's back fit is beyond me?

 

[Stoned Rose]

That's a totally reactive perspective. We could've/should've prevented this situation from occurring in the first place.

How many times have we been undone on the transition since last November? Every team we face does the same thing once our attacks fizzle out.

It doesn't matter who our personnel are, it generally ends the same way with a strong attempt on goal. Walker (the quickest RB in world football) was still at City when our collapse started last season, & he was promptly dropped. Even then, our collapse continued.

We've blamed Kyle, Rico, Akanji, Nunes & now we're blaming Rico again. The personnel keeps changing, but the end result is still the same. The only common denominator is the system our players are being instructed to perform.

At what point do we stop blaming the players, & begin to focus on our formation & tactics which have evidently been sussed out?

You’ve quoted the unedited version of my post there mate.

I added a line at the end to counter the kind of response you’ve made, shortly after the original post.

I agree, the tactic only works if you have a rapid back 4. We don’t.

But, in the context of us playing the current high line tactic, Rico makes a number of mistakes.

 

[Quinny851]

You’ve quoted the unedited version of my post there mate.

I added a line at the end to counter the kind of response you’ve made, shortly after the original post.

I agree, the tactic only works if you have a rapid back 4. We don’t.

But, in the context of us playing the current high line tactic, Rico makes a number of mistakes.

He does but he's not alone. Our captain doesn't exactly cover himself in glory. It also massively exposes Ake too who was never blessed with glorious pace but now runs like he's got prosthetic legs

 

[plongo]

We look like we practice our possession phases in a phone box - same old same old

 

[handsofstone]

Is this the Saivnho thread or the post match thread? The fuck people are talking about in this thread

 

[super_city_si]

This is bang on and it's something I thought Pep would have moved on from after his failed experiment of having Akanji stepping into midfield from full back.

It leaves us far too exposed especially without the pace of someone like Walker

If only we had a player with the pace of walker……

 

[Stoned Rose]

He does but he's not alone. Our captain doesn't exactly cover himself in glory. It also massively exposes Ake too who was never blessed with glorious pace but now runs like he's got prosthetic legs

Ake looked overweight and unfit to me yesterday.

Pep should’ve gone with O’Reilly.

 

[117 M34]

Yet since Juvé in the CWC, Ait Nouri's attacking instinct has been deliberately throttled, meaning whoever plays on the left is constantly isolated & facing 2-3 players, with only the option of trying to produce miracles getting past them, or passing the ball back or sideways.

You know who would be perfect playing on the left to come inside so ait nouri had space to attack - grealish

 

[Marvin.]

That's a totally reactive perspective. We could've/should've prevented this situation from occurring in the first place.

How many times have we been undone on the transition since last November? Every team we face does the same thing once our attacks fizzle out.

It doesn't matter who our personnel are, it generally ends the same way with a strong attempt on goal. Walker (the quickest RB in world football) was still at City when our collapse started last season, & he was promptly dropped. Even then, our collapse continued.

We've blamed Kyle, Rico, Akanji, Nunes & now we're blaming Rico again. The personnel keeps changing, but the end result is still the same. The only common denominator is the system our players are being instructed to perform.

At what point do we stop blaming the players, & begin to focus on our formation & tactics which have evidently been sussed out?

Pep wants to play a certain way, and a high defensive line is part of it. It's the sporting directors job to sign players who are compatible with this. Last season we were in transition. Players were bought but they weren't ready. We still aren't ready. I would bring Khusanov into the back 4 alongside Stones.

We are unfortunate that Kovacic and Rodri are still out. Yesterday, Spurs dominated our midfield. Arguably Cherki should not have started.

 

[TonyColemansbagofapples]

I think a back three would suit us best and would choose Khusanov, Stones and Gvardiol. I just happen to think that Dias has really lost his way recently.

 

[King Jay]

we shouldn’t let him leave. There is no RW out there. Rodrygo is not a right wing.

 

[Stoned Rose]

He does but he's not alone. Our captain doesn't exactly cover himself in glory. It also massively exposes Ake too who was never blessed with glorious pace but now runs like he's got prosthetic legs

Read my original post mate. All the above mentioned.